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Old 01-26-2011, 05:38 PM   #11
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but then its a question of slower and more heavy vs lighter and faster. I assume 357 does better at range. Could there be much difference at 25-50 yards? 4 inch barrel suppose.
25-50 yards isn't personal defense, it's hunting.
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25-50 yards isn't personal defense, it's hunting.
Quoted for truth!

Explain to the nice policeman why you HAD to fire when the fella attacking you was 25-50 yards away. I'm sure the DA will also be really sympathetic...
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The 357 mag in 125 gr HP is supposed to a stopper that wont over penetrate. The 158 has a tendency blow through. I carry Win PD 110 gr HP In my 2" SP101. It is better than 38 spl+P and is very controllable. If I want something hotter I go the 125 gr HP. The 158 gr is not much fun in a snubbie. 4" barrel 357 I would use the 125 gr loads unless I am out hiking and might meet up with a critter.
I like the 230 gr HP in the 45. No specific reason except it is what I have always used. I have though about trying some 185's but never got past the thinking stage.
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I don't think you could go wrong with either. They both have a great track record in the BG stopping area. I would go with whichever one you can shoot quickly and accurately.
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My .45 holds 13 rounds, while my .357 only holds 6 rounds; i would go with my .45.
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My .45 holds 13 rounds, while my .357 only holds 6 rounds; i would go with my .45.
Now that is important to keep in mind.

My SP101 holds 5 rounds. 5 x 576ft/lbs = 2,880 ft/lbs of energy to have at the ready.

A .45 holding 10 rounds... 10 x 476ft/lbs = 4,760 ft/lbs of energy to have at the ready.
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Yeah, what he said!
My 1911 holds 14 rounds of 200gr Speer Gold Dots,
Thats 1080 ft/s giving 518 ft/lbs x 14 = 7252 ft/lbs of energy upon the target.
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My .45 holds 13 rounds, while my .357 only holds 6 rounds; i would go with my .45.
Its a good point my XDm 45 = 13+1, whereas the largest .357 is 8.
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Let us not discount the impact of the empty firearm, should the shooter choose to use it as a last-ditch projectile; shooterdude could have one heck of an arm.

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I personally like putting bigger holes in things so I prefer the 45 ACP.
The best ballistic data I found is as follows,
Buffalo Bore 357 magnum 158gr - 1485 ft/s = 774 ft/lbs.
Double Tap 45 ACP 185gr - 1225 ft/s = 616 ft/lbs.
Buffalo Bore 45 Super 185gr - 1300 ft/s = 694 ft/lbs (may need to modify pistol).
Remember, bigger holes bleed faster!
You can also split the difference by choosing the 10mm,
Double Tap 10mm 165gr - 1425 ft/s = 744 ft/lbs.
Since your only factor was ballistics, I'd have you lean towards the .357 S&W Magnum.
Thanks nypd good info
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