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Pjj342 01-26-2011 01:39 AM

357 or 45acp for defense
 
Focusing on the caliber only, and not thinkin about revolver vs semi auto, but bullet weight and velocity. Concealment doesnt matter in this case. What would be better all around, as a defensive and offensive manstopper and why. Give some cartridge examples if you can.

ScottA 01-26-2011 03:06 AM

If you look simply at energy delivered to the target, then .357 wins most of the time.

Federal's top .45 and .357 rounds muzzle energy for example:

125gr .357 - 576 ft/lbs
165gr .45 - 476 ft/lbs

bgeddes 01-26-2011 03:26 AM

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What would be better all around, as a defensive and offensive manstopper and why. Give some cartridge examples if you can.
What ever one you shoot best. Hitting the target is far more important than ballistics.

Pjj342 01-26-2011 03:28 AM

it does
 
but then its a question of slower and more heavy vs lighter and faster. I assume 357 does better at range. Could there be much difference at 25-50 yards? 4 inch barrel suppose.

ScottA 01-26-2011 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pjj342 (Post 429833)
but then its a question of slower and more heavy vs lighter and faster. I assume 357 does better at range. Could there be much difference at 25-50 yards? 4 inch barrel suppose.

The ballistics in my example cross at about 100 yds... well beyond effective range. The larger bullet will hold energy longer, but it's inconsequential for these two rounds.

IGETEVEN 01-26-2011 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pjj342 (Post 429833)
but then its a question of slower and more heavy vs lighter and faster. I assume 357 does better at range. Could there be much difference at 25-50 yards? 4 inch barrel suppose.

As stated, both will bring someone down riki-tic, but only if you can hit your target. Please give actual confirmation that you can proficiently and consistently, hit a man sized target, center mass or a head shot @ 25-50 yards. Most SD encounters usually take place between 2-7 yards.

c3shooter 01-26-2011 04:11 AM

I would not feel poorly armed with either, and I carry one or the other daily. As the man said, whichever you shoot the best. Both have an excellent track record for stopping bad guys. Quickly.

freefall 01-26-2011 05:43 AM

If concealment were no issue I would go with the .357 hands down. I find mine to be much more accurate than any auto I've ever handled. Plus it has never failed to go bang. That being said, concealment and ease of carry is an issue. So I carry either my Kimber Compact or my PF9 more often than not.

Pjj342 01-26-2011 01:29 PM

This is really just zombie infestation, end of the world, and no one cares that im carrying one on the hip with my ak on my back kinda question. relevance to be determined at a later date.

NYPD13 01-26-2011 05:17 PM

I personally like putting bigger holes in things so I prefer the 45 ACP.
The best ballistic data I found is as follows,
Buffalo Bore 357 magnum 158gr - 1485 ft/s = 774 ft/lbs.
Double Tap 45 ACP 185gr - 1225 ft/s = 616 ft/lbs.
Buffalo Bore 45 Super 185gr - 1300 ft/s = 694 ft/lbs (may need to modify pistol).
Remember, bigger holes bleed faster!
You can also split the difference by choosing the 10mm,
Double Tap 10mm 165gr - 1425 ft/s = 744 ft/lbs.
Since your only factor was ballistics, I'd have you lean towards the .357 S&W Magnum.


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