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Old 01-08-2013, 04:21 AM   #31
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I'm a fan of things that actually work. I applied logic and tests to determine which pistols I'd bet my life on and which pistols I wouldn't. I spent many thousands of dollars of my money and countless hours doing it. Anyone who wishes to do so can call me whatever names they wish. I'm not bashing anyone else's choices or asking them to justify them, I'm just stating why I made mine.
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I'm a fan of things that actually work. I applied logic and tests to determine which pistols I'd bet my life on and which pistols I wouldn't. I spent many thousands of dollars of my money and countless hours doing it. Anyone who wishes to do so can call me whatever names they wish. I'm not bashing anyone else's choices or asking them to justify them, I'm just stating why I made mine.
Part of the problem with your analysis is that you talked about CC, but the OP wasn't asking for CC. Thus the "need" for Striker fired wasn't there.

Not to mention not everyone feels so strongly about not having a hammer. I understand your position, but it came off more than a little strong.

I personally prefer the traditional visible hammer, even though mechanically there is a striker internally that the hammer is hitting. For a deep concealed weapon, 2 out of 3 guns I'm looking at are striker fired and I have indeed considered the snagging issue. However, most pistols now have bobbed hammers which minimizes this issue somewhat.

Glocks have their place but they are not the end all be all of handguns. Many shooters just don't like the way they feel in the hand. I also respectfully disagree about manual safeties, though some of what you posted is exactly why I don't want to carry a single-action only weapon. I personally prefer hammer down on a live round, long trigger pull on the first shot with single action follow up shots. I train this way as well. That is my personal preference. I know some shooters that really are better off with a consistent trigger pull like the Glock. All of it depends on the shooter. There is no "perfect" gun.
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I don't see anything wrong with any of the choices. All good guns. I did the same thing as you, rented a bunch of different guns and ended up with an SR9C. I like it because its compact and easy to carry even with the 17 round mag.

At this point though it sounds like you have to chose the best one for you out of a good bunch.

Whatever feels more natural to you is what I would go with. Personal preference.

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I don't see anything wrong with any of the choices. All good guns. I did the same thing as you, rented a bunch of different guns and ended up with an SR9C. I like it because its compact and easy to carry even with the 17 round mag.

At this point though it sounds like you have to chose the best one for you out of a good bunch.

Whatever feels more natural to you is what I would go with. Personal preference.
I second that opinion 100%, as much as I love my 226, it wouldn't have been the gun I would have picked had it not been given to me. It's a good gun, I like it, I enjoy shooting it haven't ever had a problem with it, it just doesn't fit in my hand right. I'm more comfortable shooting my little 938. And yes, I loved Trip's 1911, I would have traded my 226 for his 1911 in a heartbeat.
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Part of the problem with your analysis is that you talked about CC, but the OP wasn't asking for CC. Thus the "need" for Striker fired wasn't there.
If you don't carry your gun with you, then what good is it if you need it? The OP did state that he would eventually like to use his pistol for concealed carry once the powers that be in his great state deem the general citizenry worthy of defending their right to live.

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Not to mention not everyone feels so strongly about not having a hammer. I understand your position, but it came off more than a little strong.
Train a little more with your pistol in realistic shooting scenarios where your assailant is right on top of you. Attend a shooting course where they use simunition, plastic, or paintball rounds.

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I personally prefer the traditional visible hammer, even though mechanically there is a striker internally that the hammer is hitting. For a deep concealed weapon, 2 out of 3 guns I'm looking at are striker fired and I have indeed considered the snagging issue. However, most pistols now have bobbed hammers which minimizes this issue somewhat.
You just made the case yourself for using a striker fired gun. Bobbed hammers are a partial solution to the problem and better than exposed hammers.

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Glocks have their place but they are not the end all be all of handguns. Many shooters just don't like the way they feel in the hand. I also respectfully disagree about manual safeties, though some of what you posted is exactly why I don't want to carry a single-action only weapon. I personally prefer hammer down on a live round, long trigger pull on the first shot with single action follow up shots. I train this way as well. That is my personal preference. I know some shooters that really are better off with a consistent trigger pull like the Glock. All of it depends on the shooter. There is no "perfect" gun.
Consistency is important for anything you are doing under stress. Having more than one option with respect to how you handle your weapon introduces unnecessary complexity into the manual of arms. For example, ALL shooters are better off with a consistent trigger pull. Ask a few of the experts in pistol handling and see if anyone disagrees with that statement. There is not a special class of humans who can be better trained to do multiple actions than a single action.

Glocks are not the best at anything and are pretty far from perfect. I would have no problems using and carrying the S&W M&P, Caracal, or Strike One (when it becomes available). I'm pretty sure I stated that in a previous post. I've put hundreds of rounds through S&W M&P's owned by friends of mine and think the design is more ergonomic than the Glock in a variety of ways.

If you're going to purchase a target pistol, then it really doesn't matter which design you choose. If it fits your hand or you just like it, then rock on. If you trust your life to it, then the characteristics of the design matter. You can choose to apply personal bias or you can go out and test what I've stated for yourself. I'm not telling anyone to get any particular brand of pistol. I'm stating why I made the choices I've made based on what I've learned from personal experience and there are a plethora of firearms instructors, more qualified than I am, who will tell you the same thing. Don't take my word for it and don't take anyone else's word for it, go out and test what you believe to be true and see whether or not the evidence supports your beliefs or not.
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I would recommend getting a Glock 17 or 19 9MM pistol for your first practice and carry piece.
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If you don't carry your gun with you, then what good is it if you need it? The OP did state that he would eventually like to use his pistol for concealed carry once the powers that be in his great state deem the general citizenry worthy of defending their right to live.

Train a little more with your pistol in realistic shooting scenarios where your assailant is right on top of you. Attend a shooting course where they use simunition, plastic, or paintball rounds.

You just made the case yourself for using a striker fired gun. Bobbed hammers are a partial solution to the problem and better than exposed hammers.

Consistency is important for anything you are doing under stress. Having more than one option with respect to how you handle your weapon introduces unnecessary complexity into the manual of arms. For example, ALL shooters are better off with a consistent trigger pull. Ask a few of the experts in pistol handling and see if anyone disagrees with that statement. There is not a special class of humans who can be better trained to do multiple actions than a single action.

Glocks are not the best at anything and are pretty far from perfect. I would have no problems using and carrying the S&W M&P, Caracal, or Strike One (when it becomes available). I'm pretty sure I stated that in a previous post. I've put hundreds of rounds through S&W M&P's owned by friends of mine and think the design is more ergonomic than the Glock in a variety of ways.

If you're going to purchase a target pistol, then it really doesn't matter which design you choose. If it fits your hand or you just like it, then rock on. If you trust your life to it, then the characteristics of the design matter. You can choose to apply personal bias or you can go out and test what I've stated for yourself. I'm not telling anyone to get any particular brand of pistol. I'm stating why I made the choices I've made based on what I've learned from personal experience and there are a plethora of firearms instructors, more qualified than I am, who will tell you the same thing. Don't take my word for it and don't take anyone else's word for it, go out and test what you believe to be true and see whether or not the evidence supports your beliefs or not.
I believe I just stated I've never had a problem with my 226 which has a hammer and I believe it was manufactured in 1994, I would trust my life to it...
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You would likely be incredibly surprised. Once you take apart a 1911, and study the parts and how they interact, you'll never have any but the utmost confidence in cocked and locked carry with a 1911.

Maybe I'm just drinking too much of the KoolAid, but I sincerely believe that perfection was achieved approximately 103 years ago. IMO, the only thing that holds a candle to it, is the Browning High Power, which JMB has reportedly said he personally felt was an improvement over the 1911. But it's a 9mm...
Exactly! The best platform and functional designs came out of the 1911 and arguably still is the 1911 itself. Don't fear it, shoot it. Being such a popular piece you're very likely to know someone who has one. Ask to go shooting with a buddy and play with it a little. Field strip it, assemble it, dry fire it, load it and see how truly safe it is.

You cannot fire one without pulling the trigger. There's a firing pin block that disallows for an engaging of the pin without the trigger being pulled all the way through. No dropping it on the hammer or failed parts causing it to slip. Nope, you have to want it to fire.

Ensuring this, also, is the 1/64 cocked feature. Many call it half cocked, but it's like a micrometer pull off the hammer where you cannot fire it, the trigger is blocked, the pin is still blocked and even if it slips from its position and the pin block fails there's not enough travel to engage the pin to push thru the spring and strike the round. This feature also prevents the hammer from fully returning to the pin if dropped and released from fully cocked.

So don't you see, it would take an act of you, with your trigger finger, purposefully, to make one of these beauties fire.
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226 Nitron or MK-25 9mm
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Your hands, your budget, your tastes. These are three excellent platforms and I think you're wise to be looking at 9mm. That's honestly as well as I can state it for you.

I love the P226. Great gun, great trigger, nice finish...and yet I didn't shoot it as well as I shot my other guns. So I sold mine. I never doubted its accuracy, just its accuracy in my hands. It just wasn't the right fit for me. That's sorta how picking the right gun works. Pick a good one that works for you. The three you mention are all fine options in a general sense. I love my XDms, and they tend to make me look like a really competent shooter.

A couple additional random words of advice: Avoid Glock unless you want to go predominantly with Glock. I have a pair and they're really good guns. But they're just an entirely different feel/grip angle/sight picture from most alternatives. Glock does offer some advantages (commonality, affordable convertability, outstanding weight:capacity ratio, etc), but the XDm is just plain a superior gun IMO. Do look at the CZ 75b. There is no better value or performer in my hands. Maybe that's true for you also, maybe not.
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