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Old 05-21-2013, 11:47 PM   #471
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nope...see. this is why this thread is important to all of you. im willing to help you before you get here.

secret is....

if you want to change your choke....delay or speed up your shot. 1 second will change your choke one up or one down on target.

CYL
SKT
IC
MOD
FULL
XFULL

1. you have a mod choke and you dont want to spread your shot too much.
A: shoot the target when its closest to you.

2. you have a full choke and you want to increase the pattern.
A: let the target go further out and away.

so the answer to changing chokes on a gun with one bbl is to play the distances.
Being a person with no shame has its advantages... Like being able to ask questions that would be an embarrassment to any experienced shooter. I live by the motto "The only stupid question is the one you won't ask." So here goes:

What does choke mean? I think you have listed your chokes from the least choked to the most choked. So, based on your delay strategy, I think that the least "choked" option (CYL) allows the pattern to spread the fastest and the most "choked" option (XFULL) keeps the pattern together the longest. Is that right? (OK so it's two questions, but really the same one.)
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you are correct.

go outside and spit.
do it with your mouth open.
doesnt go far, does it?
spit now with your lips tight. shoot a loogie.
goes far right?
the tighter the choke (restriction) the further the projectile stays together.

XFULL is the loogie!

CYL is the fine spray misty spit.

this is why modified is the most sold and most versatile choke sold on guns to date. you can go either way.


when someone is strangled, its refered to as being choked. you squeeze the neck, restricting the flow of air.
in a shotgun bbl, the inside bore is restricted aka: choke restriction. if you cut off 2" of your bbl, you cut off the choke..making a bbl CYL.
this is why i laugh at preppers and HD freaks that cut bbls to 18" for in close. they are throwing away the most expensive part of the bbl! do you have any idea how hard it is to put a restriction inside a bore? lol.

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OK, related question. The different events you listed different size shot. Is that due to shooting at targets that start at different distances? Do larger pellets carry their velocity farther? What is the advantage of one size shot vs another on some of the games?

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larger pellets carry their velocity further.
the bigger the pellet, the less it tends to fly off course.

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that is correct. chokes are changed between games at your car or on the picnic table or...etc..
and correct, now you see the beauty of dial a duck.
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but back to the question.

youre in the middle of a game. cant change chokes

say your gun is a mod choke and you dont want it to spread as much when you hit the target. what do you do?

or how about this? the ideal shot on skeet is 21yds. you have a full choke. if you shoot at 21yds, your pattern will only be 18" instead of 30".
where should you hit the target?
I didn't see an answer to this one. If you need 30" pattern, wait till the target is 35 yds away. I assume it spreads linearly.

But your shooting accuracy falls off with distance also. So, aren't you really stuck with the same chances either way?
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its a cone of shot either getting bigger or getting smaller depending on which way the target travels.
on 5 oct, targets will travel away or at you. even if they are crossing, theyre still moving either away or at you.

so, if you have a IC choke and you know after 21yds the pellets will spread too much and cause (holes in the pattern) you must shoot fast if its moving away and wait for it to come nearer to you if its coming at you.

on full choke...the pattern will be so small at 21yds, its best to wait a second past 21yds to get it further away. and best to shoot targets coming at you while they are far away. if you wait until its on top of you....the pattern is more like the size of a tennis ball instead of a hool hoop.

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so now....you can see how im sizing you guys up. i can tell where the effort will most likely be and where equipment will be a help or hinderence.
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BOBSKI
(3) 12ga-winchester model 50 skeet
(1) 20ga-winchester model 50 2 bbl set
(1) 12ga-winchester SXM1 trap
(1) 12ga-winchester model 12 pigeon skeet/trap 2 bbl set
(1) 410-marlin 410 lever
(1) 410-mossberg 183k

BALOTA
an old stick and a pine cone
borrowing winds' nada no gauge

TRIP286
Dickson Falcon 12ga. side by side, DT, full, mod

ARKY
12ga Ruger Red Label

ARKYSON
Benelli Super Sport 12ga.
Benelli Montefeltro 12ga.
Mossberg 500 12ga.

ARKYGIRL
Benelli Montefeltro 20ga.

OZARK777
Remington 870 pump 12ga

OZARK777BRO
Winchester 1200 pump 12ga

OZARK777WIFE
20ga pump

OZARK777BROSWIFE
20ga pump

WINDSOFCHANGE
nada no gauge
bummin' 410 bolt action

ASTROMAN
12ga Remington 870

OZARKFROG
12ga-mossberg 500

TEXASWOODWORKER
Westeren Field Model M175B 20ga
New Haven 600AT 12ga
Mossberg 500 12ga

MYSTERYPICWINNER.........................

GEOBOB
hawk 982 riot 12ga

IRONHORSE944
fausti 12ga o&u
Winchester model 50 12ga

IRONHORSEBUDDY
12ga-browning A5

RANGEMASTER ROBERT S.
winchester model 50 skeet 12ga.

RANGEMASTER LEROY J.
winchester model 50 featherweight skeet 12ga.
winchester model 12 16ga



the 2 needed chokes to shoot?

BOBSKI...............yes
BALOTA..............yes(bobs guns)
TRIP286..............yes
ARKY...............yes
ARKYSON..........
ARKYGIRL............
OZARK777...........
OZARK777BRO........
OZARK777WIFE....
OZARK777BROSWIFE...
WINDSOFCHANGE.........yes(bobs guns)
ASTROMAN..................no
OZARKFROG..................no
TEXASWOODWORKER......yes
MYSTERYPICWINNER........?
GEOBOB.........................no
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IRONHORSE944...................yes
IRONHORSEBUDDY................no
ROBERT S…………………..yes
LEROY J…………………….no


ammo secured?

BOBSKI...............yes
BALOTA..............yes
TRIP286..............yes
ARKY...............
ARKYSON..........
ARKYGIRL............
OZARK777...........
OZARK777BRO........
OZARK777WIFE....
OZARK777BROSWIFE...
WINDSOFCHANGE.........yes
ASTROMAN..................almost
OZARKFROG..................
TEXASWOODWORKER......yes
MYSTERYPICWINNER........?
GEOBOB.........................
IRONHORSE944...................
IRONHORSEBUDDY................

Application of ammo………..

best case scenerio

1. ata trap 16yd.......7 1/2, 8.
2. skeet................. 7 1/2, 8 ,9.
3. int skeet..............8, 9.
4. doc adams...........7 1/2.
5. poor man 5 stand......7 1/2, 8.
6. annie oakley..........7 1/2.
7. shoot off............6, 7 1/2.

squad roster............

9am
1. BALOTA.....................Oklahoma............... ......................new
2. TRIP286.....................Louisiana............. ......................new
3. ARKY.........................SW Arkansas..............................skilled
4. ARKYSON...................SW Arkansas...................................new
5. ARKYGIRL...................SW Arkansas...................................new

12noon:
1. OZARK777.................Alabama/staying in memphis............new
2. OZARK777BRO........... Alabama/staying in memphis............skilled
3. OZARK777WIFE..........Alabama/staying in springfield, mo...skilled
4. OZARK777BROSWIFE...Alabama/staying in springfield, mo......new
5. WINDSOFCHANGE.......Illinois...................... ...................new

4pm:
1. ASTROMAN.....................Tennesse............. .................skilled
2. OZARKFROG....................local................ ....................skilled
3. TEXASWOODWORKER........Texas...................... ............skilled
4. MYSTERYPICWINNER.........UNKNOWN.................. ...............?
5. GEOBOB.........................local.............. ...........................new

STANDBY:
IRONHORSE944....................Kansas............ ......................skilled
IRONHORSEBUDDY................Kansas.............. ....................skilled

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so i can tell squad 2 is going to be a mystery since none of them are communicating with me except winds.' they are going to show up with guns and only then will i be able to know what their fate will be.
winds' will have my guns and be enlighterned so she has a chance of being better than the others on her squad.

tex will be shooting against a guy with a CYL bore(lol), the defending last place ftf champ(lol,) astroman...who better be lurking and learning, and our mystery pic winner who we wont know who is until the winner is picked.

your challenge will be to beat arky. he was high score last match. ironhorse would have beat him if he hadnt had to go back to work and miss the tail end of the match.

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Got the gun.

The mag can be a little tricky, but not a big problem. It just takes a little practice to get the technique for loading it down. I can probably have the gun loaded with 2 shells and ready to shoot in about 1-3 seconds.

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