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Mack Bolan 02-07-2014 08:31 PM

so who are these 14 invalid instructors
 
Tom Dart- Cook Co. Sheriff claims 14 persons registered as CCW instructors in IL are ineligible to receive their CCW licenses....

so how did they decide to validate instructor status prior to issuing actual CCW permits....or doing background or criminal record checks?

gotta love it.......or leave it:)

CGS 02-08-2014 03:31 PM

Instructors go through the same back ground check process as licensees. But remember LEO gets to object to licensee applications, not instructor applications. Also remember that just because LEO objects doesn't mean the license application will be rejected.

The grounds by which a LEO may object is (off the top of my head) 5 misdemeanor arrests for any reason within the last 7 years. Or 3 misdemeanors if you are known to be a gang member. That's not even convictions, but arrests. Guilty until proven innocent.



Ok I looked it up for verification...

(b) If an applicant has 5 or more arrests for any reason,
that have been entered into the Criminal History Records
Information (CHRI) System, within the 7 years preceding the
date of application for a license, or has 3 or more arrests
within the 7 years preceding the date of application for a
license for any combination of gang-related offenses, the
Department shall object and submit the applicant's arrest
record, the application materials, and any additional
information submitted by a law enforcement agency to the Board.




So if I am a habitual J Walker LEO may object to my CCL application. Of these 14 instructors, I am willing to bet half or more will be later approved through the review board.

Shade 02-09-2014 02:24 PM

CGS, good summary again.

Now for the color commentary. Dart is just trying scare tactics for the sheeple
of Crook County. It will work on some of them. He is doing it to grab
attention. I know several ISP officers; in general, there is a lot of animosity
between the ISP (which in my opinion is a very professional organization) and
the Crook County Sheriff. Dart is a politician and he will pander to his political
keepers, aka Madigan and Co. Until either the people of Illinois get a clue
and 'vote the bums out' or when Illinois and Chicago collapse under the weight
of fiscal mismanagement and corruption we will have to deal with the collapse
then or as my plan is to move out of the state, that timing is when my youngest
graduates HS, in 2020. But it could be moved up sooner.

It is like how a bunch of us instructors were approved for our CCL's then a few
days later we were all back as under review. We have already passed the
background check and have been reviewed by Local LEO's for 30 days, you
know Madigan got wind they were ready to send out the first wave of licenses
and they said whoa we do not want that, make them wait the full 90 days!!!
And then they put out that BS story about they are just running checks on the
computer systems... Yeah like anybody with a clue believes that...

purehavoc 02-09-2014 02:34 PM

I read a recent article about this , where the person may be a well know gang member with no convictions or priors. This gives the local LEO a chance to stop it before it ever begins . Smart idea really

clr8ter 02-09-2014 02:50 PM

So they are saying that gang members are applying for CC licenses? I find that a little difficult to believe. Kind of like a criminal going to the gun shop and doing the BG check to get a gun….

Shade 02-09-2014 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by purehavoc (Post 1502446)
I read a recent article about this , where the person may be a well know gang member with no convictions or priors. This gives the local LEO a chance to stop it before it ever begins . Smart idea really

Quote:

Originally Posted by clr8ter (Post 1502458)
So they are saying that gang members are applying for CC licenses? I find that a little difficult to believe. Kind of like a criminal going to the gun shop and doing the BG check to get a gun….

Actually one of the leaders of a gang in Chicago did recently apply, he has a
cleanish record and does meet all the requirements for CCL. The story made
the local Chicago news for a few days.

Now here is the push, if we allow the "system" to prevent him from getting a
CCL. Then we open the flood gates for the "system" to prevent me from
getting a CCL because I am a member of the Illinois Militia or the VFW or the
Republican Party or the Tea Party or Opus Dei or ....

Whether someone 'has ties' to a criminal gang or not, is irrelevant and in the
eyes of justice (remember she is portrayed as being blind folded) unproven.
Only convictions should count against an applicant; not arrests and not
associations. What if you are an upstanding law abiding citizen, and your
brother is a dirt bag gang banger done hard time POS; they could say you
have ties to the gang, because you see your brother a few times a year at
mom's house. The part of the FCCA law that counts arrests to preclude CCL
will not hold up in court if it is every challenged; and I bet someday it will.

clr8ter 02-09-2014 04:54 PM

Right, they should not prevent that guy from getting the permit, agreed. What I don't understand is why a dumbass like that would even bother to apply, and make himself more known to the cops. It's not like they won't carry anyway, right?

Axxe55 02-09-2014 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clr8ter (Post 1502556)
Right, they should not prevent that guy from getting the permit, agreed. What I don't understand is why a dumbass like that would even bother to apply, and make himself more known to the cops. It's not like they won't carry anyway, right?

if that one gang member keeps his nose clean, he can legally buy guns for the gang. gangs have been doing it with straw purchases for years. using girlfriends, wives and family members with no criminal records to buy guns for thsoe who did have criminal records.

CGS 02-10-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clr8ter (Post 1502458)
So they are saying that gang members are applying for CC licenses? I find that a little difficult to believe. Kind of like a criminal going to the gun shop and doing the BG check to get a gun….

There was a known gang LEADER who applied but got swept up in the LEO objection process. He had many arrests but no convictions. Yeah 99.99% aren't going to apply.

clr8ter 02-10-2014 05:39 PM

So what does being the leader have to do with anything?


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