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Old 06-28-2013, 08:39 PM   #121
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Imagine that...


""If you think about all the prohibited places there are ... I don't think you will see an overwhelming number of people actually (carrying weapons) because it becomes such a headache," said state Sen. Kwame Raoul, a Chicago lawmaker and lead negotiator on the bill who represents President Barack Obama's former state senate district."

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Governor expected to veto and amend concealed-carry bill on Tuesday.


Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, said that if Quinn rewrites the bill, he will immediately file paperwork to override the amendatory veto.

“I’m going to file a motion to override,” Phelps said. “He’s playing politics with this with a lot of groups in Chicago. We had a compromise, we had a deal. We had a deal with both chambers. The governor’s office was fully aware of everything going on in those meetings. They got a lot of things they wanted in the bill as well.”

And here's the fun part...

There is disagreement about what would happen if Illinois misses the deadline. Gun-rights advocates maintain it will allow anyone with a valid Firearm Owner’s Identification card to carry any kind of concealed weapon anywhere.

“That would be the Wild West when you have different people carrying different kinds of guns with no training,” Phelps said. “You’re going to get law enforcement people hurt, just Illinoisans in general could possibly get hurt. All it takes is that one person to shoot themselves or shoot somebody (because) they haven’t had the proper training.”

Gun-control supporters believe missing the deadline would allow communities to enact ordinances that severely restrict where concealed weapons could be carried.


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Default Quinn writes stricter rules into concealed carry bill

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Quinn writes stricter rules into concealed carry bill

10:29 AM CDT, July 2, 2013

Gov. Pat Quinn today inserted stricter gun control measures into a high-profile concealed carry bill, sending back the carefully crafted measure to lawmakers who are wary of any changes.

According to a copy of the governor's veto message obtained by the Tribune, Quinn moved to ban guns from all places that serve alcohol, allow people with permits to carry only one concealed weapon that can hold only 10 rounds of ammunition, required guns to be completely concealed instead of partially, give employers more rights to regulate guns in their businesses, and removed a provision to prevent home-rule towns from enacting assault weapons bans.

"I have carefully reviewed every part of this legislation. This is a flawed bill with serious safety problems that must be addressed," Quinn wrote in his veto message. "Therefore, I am compelled to use my constitutional authority to rectify several specific issues, to establish a better law to protect the people of Illinois."

While the Democratic governor is within his powers to recommend changes for lawmakers to accept or reject, Quinn’s move also raises the possibility that the General Assembly could fail to agree on either option and leave Illinois with a wide-open gun law that even sponsors of the concealed carry law have sought to avoid.

The pressure now is on lawmakers to act before a July 9 deadline that a federal appellate court gave Illinois to put in place a law allowing people to carry concealed firearms. The ruled in December that Illinois must end its status as the only state in the nation with a ban on allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons in public.

Specifically, Quinn recommended that citizens be allowed to carry only one concealed weapon that can carry only 10 rounds of ammunition — a major change from the current lack of limits in the legislation.

"The bill provides no cap on the number of guns or on the size or number of ammunition clips that may be carried. Instead, it allows individuals to legally carry multiple guns with unlimited rounds of ammunition, which is a public safety hazard,” Quinn wrote in a message to lawmakers.

“Recent shootings, such as the horrific tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman fired 154 bullets in less than five minutes, have put a spotlight on the extreme and unnecessary danger posed by high-capacity ammunition magazines,” Quinn wrote.

“If Illinois is going to legalize the carrying of loaded, concealed guns, our state should do so with common sense and a commitment to preventing mass violence,” according to a copy of the message. “The legislation should clarify that a license will permit an individual to carry one concealed gun and one ammunition clip that can hold no more than 10 rounds of ammunition,” Quinn said.

Quinn recommended that concealed weapons not be allowed in places where there is any alcoholic-beverages served. The bill call for allowing it where the majority of sales were from food. He disagreed with limits placed on home-rule communities that may wish to have tougher gun laws. He sought to tighten employer rights to regulate firearms.

Seeking re-election in 2014, Quinn’s move to tighten the proposal is in keeping with pro-gun control stance, but it also plays well to his core Democratic constituency in the Chicago area. Yet it cuts against the governor in the vast majority of counties that voted against him throughout the state when he was elected in 2010.

Quinn already is facing new political challenges as New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a longtime gun control advocate, came out today in favor of Quinn’s potential Democratic challenger, Bill Daley, the former White House chief of staff whose brother and father both served as mayors of Chicago.

But the governor did not attempt this time to stick into the measure a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons despite his support of such a proposal. He tried that last year on a lower-profile gun bill and lawmakers ignored him.

Proponents of the legislation as passed, ranging from House Speaker Michael Madigan of Chicago to sponsoring Rep. Brandon Phelps of Southern Illinois, have predicted Quinn would use his amendatory veto power to rewrite the bill, but both have also predicted the governor’s changes would be overridden.

Rank-and-file lawmakers have been told to be ready to return to Springfield on July 8, the day before the deadline. It is one day before Quinn has set a separate deadline for the legislature to come up with a proposal to resolve the state’s $100 billion pension debt, but there’s little sign of that coming to together by then.

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Oh how cute. He's parading children in front of the cameras.

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Democrat's response site crashed due to influx of clicks

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I am so glad I moved from the communist state of Illinois. It's pretty obvious how corrupt Illinois is. I wonder how much money it costs the gangs in Chicago to keep the politicians off of their back. Concealed carry in Illinois has nothing to do with crime or criminals...it's all about the rights of law abiding citizens. Politicians lie, we all know that..but Illinois politicians have made it an art form....and with the "special" help from the POTUS they can do whatever they want...and this again is the tail wagging the dog.

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[QUOTE]URGENT ALERT – YOUR ACTION REQUIRED

GOVERNOR QUINN’S SOFT SPOT FOR CRIMINALS RESULTS IN VETO OF CONCEALED CARRY


As many of you know by now, Governor Quinn today issued an amendatory
veto of HB0183, otherwise known as Concealed Carry. In issuing his veto,
Quinn renders HB0183 essentially worthless from a self-defense perspective.

Under Quinn’s amendments to the bill, most public locations would be “off
limits” for concealed carry. Furthermore, firearms would have to be carried
in a closed container out of the view of the public. Making concealed carry
even more impractical is Quinn’s restriction limiting licensees to one firearm
and no more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

Quinn’s amendatory veto contains a whole host of other restrictions that are
aimed not only at hindering concealed carry, but also at suppressing the
citizen’s right to keep and bear arms in general.

Although Quinn claims his veto is in the interest of public safety, the truth of
the matter is that Quinn is using HB0183 as a vehicle to punish firearm
owners. Quinn’s motives were made abundantly clear by his decision to
surround himself with anti-gun extremists as he announced his veto. Quinn
even stood side by side with Fr. Michael Pfleger, the Catholic priest who has
openly called for gun shop owners and pro-gun elected officials to be
dragged into the streets and murdered.

The bottom line is this: if Quinn’s amendatory veto of HB0183 is not
overturned, law-abiding gun owners will have fewer rights than they had
before HB0183 was even drafted. Yes, that’s right; HB0183 has been
transformed into a gun control bill.

HERE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO SAVE CONCEALED CARRY AND SAVE
YOUR GUNS

1. Immediately phone your State Representative AND your State Senator
and politely tell the person who answers the phone that you are a law
abiding firearm owner who wishes to see Governor Quinn’s amendatory veto
of HB0183 overturned. Phone lines will be busy, but keep trying until you
get through. If you do not know who your Senator or Representative is, the
Illinois State Board of Elections has an interactive search page here:
www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx

If you know who your state legislators are, you can find their contact info here:
www.ilga.gov/house/ and www.ilga.gov/senate/.

2. Pass this alert on to your friends and family and ask them to call too.

3. Post this Alert to any and all Internet blogs or bulletin boards to which
you belong.

If you remain silent, you are giving Quinn tacit approval of his gun control folly.[/QUOTE]

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Just got my FOID renewal/permission card in the mail this afternoon. 105 days from start to end. Wonder how it would fly if I took 4 months to pay my back taxes? Maybe I could just tell the judge I'm shorthanded and couldn't get the check cut any faster.

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Just got my FOID renewal/permission card in the mail this afternoon. 105 days from start to end. Wonder how it would fly if I took 4 months to pay my back taxes? Maybe I could just tell the judge I'm shorthanded and couldn't get the check cut any faster.
Is that a 5 year card? Start applying for the 2018 card now, by then you just MAY be able to carry (unloaded in your own home) I have no faith in Illinois politicians to do the right thing...just "their" thing.
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