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Old 02-25-2013, 02:47 AM   #11
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I stand corrected. I guess I was in violation of the law a few years ago when I accidentally let my FOID card expire for a few months. Didn't mean to but at the time I wasn't into guns like I am now.
Also lets say you have a gun or two that are not locked up. And you are out
and for some reason. The Police pay a visit and either ask to enter your
home, and are allowed in, or have warrant. And no one there has a FOID
card. Most likely you will have your guns confiscated. Even if that person
is your wife.

For example, you are on a trip, your wife is home and your hand gun is out
on the kitchen table, because someone tried breaking into you home. Your
wife was scared, screamed, they guy ran off, but she called the police
anyway and set the gun you keep next to your bed on the table. Police
come in and see the gun, she says it is yours. They ask to see her FOID
she does not have one. *Poof* the gun is confiscated.

My wife and I have FOID's that expire on different years, that was planned.
I also have FOIDs and passports for both of my children.
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Illinois is a very interesting place right about now. As far as concerns with 997 go, there are definetly some things that aren't great in the bill and it is fairly restrictive given the situation that Illinois is in, however everything that is in the bill has been years of deliberation between different groups. In order for our bill to pass we need a veto proof vote (supermajority) if the anti's want to pass a bill they just need a basic majority.

So yes, 997 has it's drawbacks, however it is the best bill that we can hope for while still trying to acheive the supermajority so Quinn can't veto it as soon as it hits his desk (as he stated he would do for any ccw bill.) While the courts are definetly on our side for the time being, it's still a very thin line between our bill and one of their bills getting passed.

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Being as I live in IL " down state of course" the 997 bill is not fabulous but its better than nothing at all . The price of $25 for 5 yrs is more than acceptable . CCW should be limited to hand guns . WHY you ask ? #1 it is called concealed carry for a reason , and then you have the smart ass's that throw a AR 15 over their shoulder and go to the mall and walk around #1 its not a CCW , #2 it just looks irresponsible / scary in the publics eyes ,#3 it give the Anti's a rant that really isnt necessary .
The HB997 is the best I have seen out there so far of anything trying to get passed here in IL. I just wish they could get a handle on whats going to really be necessary training for the IL CCW so people could get the ball rolling and not get every class tied up for the next 12 months

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Being as I live in IL " down state of course" the 997 bill is not fabulous but its better than nothing at all . The price of $25 for 5 yrs is more than acceptable . CCW should be limited to hand guns . WHY you ask ? #1 it is called concealed carry for a reason , and then you have the smart ass's that throw a AR 15 over their shoulder and go to the mall and walk around #1 its not a CCW , #2 it just looks irresponsible / scary in the publics eyes ,#3 it give the Anti's a rant that really isnt necessary .
The HB997 is the best I have seen out there so far of anything trying to get passed here in IL. I just wish they could get a handle on whats going to really be necessary training for the IL CCW so people could get the ball rolling and not get every class tied up for the next 12 months
Standby for heavy rolls while the bill is destroyed by the anti's!!!

8 amendments today not one of the good. I plan on reading them all tomorrow. I will post when I get a chance.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=0997&GAID=12&DocTypeID=HB&Le gID=71413&SessionID=85&SpecSess=&Session=&GA=98
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Here is HB0997 and amendments.

I will dig up HB1155 tomorrow.

File Type: pdf 09800HB0997.pdf (146.8 KB, 35 views)
File Type: pdf 09800HB0997ham001.pdf (33.6 KB, 38 views)
File Type: pdf 09800HB0997ham002.pdf (37.9 KB, 41 views)
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Here is HB0997 and amendments.

I will dig up HB1155 tomorrow.
so we basically wont be able to carry anywhere..

I'm hoping for nothing getting done and constitutional carry
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so we basically wont be able to carry anywhere..

I'm hoping for nothing getting done and constitutional carry
That is what they are trying to do and if you screw up then it is a felony...
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Did anyone else notice this would require a total of 40 hours training administered by the state police to qualify, and 10 hours to renew? Not to mention it just states a minimum of 30 rounds fired during live fire training (20 hours) more realistically it would probablu amount to hundreds, maybe even a thousand or more rounds, that you have to supply!

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Did anyone else notice this would require a total of 40 hours training administered by the state police to qualify, and 10 hours to renew? Not to mention it just states a minimum of 30 rounds fired during live fire training (20 hours) more realistically it would probablu amount to hundreds, maybe even a thousand or more rounds, that you have to supply!
Yes that was in one of the amendments. Each Amendment has to get voted
on individually, and that vote is not coming up soon. The House Majority is
trying to castrate any CCW with HB1155. We must first defeat HB 1155,
albeite Amendment 27 (Phelps) essentially guts 1155. It is going to be a
mess in Springfield.

IGOLD is so very very important this year. High turn out will be very much
noticed by our elected offiiicials. Get everyone you can to go, I am taking a
vacation day to do so. Bring some comfy walking shoes.
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Don't expect to ever get CCW freedoms if you do not understand the Bill Of Rights regarding the 2nd. A. The 2nd A. was not intended to protect the rights of the people to carry "Clubs". The 2nd is there to allow the citizens to stand and deliver in the face of armed forces.
Actually, it was. At the time the 2nd Amendment was being debated (see Federalist Papers) the discussion included such things as hatchets, swords, any maces. A arm is anything that allows one to defend or assault.

My concern is related to having the option for less lethal means with which to defend. Women and old guys like me are not usually going to win a fist fight with an 18 year old perp, unless age and treachery can overcome the expected speed and strength of youth. I don't want my 5'2" 105LB wife to have no choice but to shoot someone to protect herself if the potential to nail the agressor with an expandable baton seems more reasonable to her. Personally, I learn the proper way to use a black jack 50 years ago, and I know that most situations that would now give me the right to shoot someone I could cure with a black jack, but in Illinois I have been long denied that right.

I have used a black jack and I have used a gun. While granting there are circumstances where a gun is the right choice, I would also like the option (just as LEOs have) of having other, less lethal choices.
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