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Old 05-24-2013, 02:03 AM   #51
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A friend yold me today. " At least we will have something " . I'm sorry but that's the wrong way to look at it . Its to restrictive on where you can carry. It and classes are outrageous for the average person wanting to protect them selves and their family .
I'm not in on this one and I hope everyone else sees this . If you havent read it go take a look from about page15 -60 and let me know what u think
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A Governor appointed review board for permits that were denied?

16 hours of training and fees from $300-$500?

It is a turd with sugar on top.
It's more like bird crap....black, with more white crap on top.
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Hey guys, I feel for you. But just to put things in perspective;
Training here (in Missouri) is between $75 and $125. (usually around $100)
It is a one day class, with classroom training and also range time. We have to qualify with both a revolver and pistol, and neither has to be our carry gun.
The CCW application fee is $100, renewable every 3 years for $50. That needs to be done at the county sheriff's office. The wait here is less than 45 days.
Our CCW endoresment either goes on your drivers license or a DMV issued ID card. The fee for the card is $6. Either way, you go to the DMV. Missouri is also an open-carry state, but most carry concealed. I find myself doing both, depending on what I am doing that day. And I wish you the best of luck. I moved from Illinois in 2005 and haven't looked back.
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I can honestly care less about the money. You thought this was going ot be free??? Break that out over the five year 'license' period - Have you seen how much it costs to get a vehicle sticker or renew your drivers license? Vehicle stickers are every year. On welfare? You found the money for a FOID, a handgun, and some ammo. Just like a car, repairs, insurance, and fees - the cost of freedom to defend yourself applies just as the freedom to roam the country at your leisure.

Class time - fine - cars are deadly weapons when used inappropriately too, and we all have to take drivers ed so we can handle them safely and responsibly.

Can't carry on public transportation? Are you ***KING kidding me? Maybe these numbnuts in Springfield and Chicago should get out of their limos and ride some L routes in the evening. Or take the bus through Englewood or Wentworth districts at night, just to name a few. Heck, maybe ride some buses around some of the wonderful southside suburbs at night too.

Tell you what - if that's the case, they better take all this money they're charging and put it right back into the highways, because there will be less people on public transportation. Ah - but that would just put more gas tax dollars and toll charges into the state coffers - evil legislators....death and taxes - only two things certain in Chicago and Crook County. But then again, the Demorats are always about the less fortunate and defending those communities. What's going to happen when the rest of the state has a right to protect themselves wherever they are, but because they have to take public transportation and can't defend themselves, who do you think they are going to vote out of office next election? Open season on defenseless citizens, trapped in a tin can, more innocent dead - brilliant idea Springfield.
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KJ. Carry on public transportation is usually forbidden, in most states. But there is something that you aren't considering. When the law becomes effective, it will be on every media outlet, and even criminals will be aware of it. And for the most part, criminals are cowards. If they THINK that there is a possibility of someone carrying, they will re-consider any moves they may have on them. In all actuality, 90% of CCW holders never have to draw their gun, and of the remaining 10%, 90% never have to use it. The presense, or in most cases, the perceived presence is usually enough to change the thought process of those with bad intentions.
Another part of the training is situational awareness. I know that after I took a CCW class and started carrying I began to look at things differently.
All in all, I agree with you, you and other gun owners need to fight to have your right mean something, not become a token law passed by Chicago influenced socialists.
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KJ. Carry on public transportation is usually forbidden, in most states. But there is something that you aren't considering. When the law becomes effective, it will be on every media outlet, and even criminals will be aware of it. And for the most part, criminals are cowards. If they THINK that there is a possibility of someone carrying, they will re-consider any moves they may have on them. In all actuality, 90% of CCW holders never have to draw their gun, and of the remaining 10%, 90% never have to use it. The presense, or in most cases, the perceived presence is usually enough to change the thought process of those with bad intentions.
Another part of the training is situational awareness. I know that after I took a CCW class and started carrying I began to look at things differently.
All in all, I agree with you, you and other gun owners need to fight to have your right mean something, not become a token law passed by Chicago influenced socialists.
I'm with you. I already took a CCW class and have my Utah and AZ permit. I'm just laughing at the fact this this lunacy is directly due to Chicago and Cook County - the areas with the most murders, leaving those people most vulnerable defenseless. The BGs in Chicago could care less - at least until a few of them start getting shot by CCW. Then that sliver of doubt may start to weigh on the BG as you mention.

But if they continue to try to restrict it or make it almost unatainable for those that need it most, then they will be able to 'demonstrate' that CCW does not reduce crime, because most people won't be able to carry in the places it's need most. Their 'statistics' they won't be telling the whole story in the end.
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My email today to Rep. Phelps and my Rep. Kate Cloonen.

We will see. I don't like it.





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I think that it may a good idea for you to research some of the other states and what they are doing. Some of your "demands" are a little....."strong".
Here, in Missouri, a state mandated course is required. Those are usually between $75 and $125. After you pass that, you are required to go to your sheriff's office, in your county and pay $100 for your permit application. Then you are fingerprinted, photographed and sent on your way while the sheriff's office processes your application and does the FBI check. You will get your paperwork within 45 days. Your next step is to the DMV, where you will apply for either a state issued ID card, or an endoresment on your drivers license, for an additional fee of $6. The renewal fee is $50, which is required after 3 years, and that too needs to be done at the sheriff's office.
I'd be more concerned about the "shall" issue over the "may" issue.
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But if they continue to try to restrict it or make it almost unatainable for those that need it most, then they will be able to 'demonstrate' that CCW does not reduce crime, because most people won't be able to carry in the places it's need most. Their 'statistics' they won't be telling the whole story in the end.
And you have summed up the liberal agenda..............
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And you have summed up the liberal agenda..............
Yep - and that's what pisses me off when people say it's better than nothing, or at least it's something. Too many people, voters and politicians, are short sighted.
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Join me here in Indiana. 130$ for a life time permit, no classes, no renewal fee, open or concealed. Pass a background check and carry how ever, where ever you want. Terre haute isn't too far from the border and a decent city
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