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Old 04-29-2012, 07:21 PM   #21
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I was wondering can you have ammo sent to your house or does it have to go through a FFL dealer. If it does have to go through a dealer do they charge to have it shipped to them like they do firearms??
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I believe you can have ammo shipped right to your house. I believe it can't be sent via the Post Office but it can be FedExed.
First this was posted in the IL gun forum. So I am assuming that the
OP is an IL resident.

To purchase loaded ammunition in IL one has to be 18 years of age and
possess a valid FOID card. For this reason many companies choose not to
ship loaded ammunition into Illinois for this reason.

The problem lies in if I were to purchase ammunition from a company in North
Dakota on line (or over the phone) where is the purchase taking place? Is
the purchase in IL or in ND or is it in both? Many companies in an attempt to
stay clear of future litigation will comply with both state's laws and if they
cannot comply to both set of laws reasonably; they choose not to ship loaded
ammunition to Illinois or other restrictive states. Some companies will ship to
an FFL holder for a customer that will then put to onus on the FFL holder to
check for a valid FOID card from the purchaser.

So the confused answer is what are the laws in the shipping and recieving
states and what are the legal consequences. Some states clearly define
that the transaction takes place in the state of the seller/shipper others do
not. In general, Illinois does not restrict ammunition being shipped into the
state but they would require that the seller confirms that the purchaser has
a FOID card. Not easy to do over the phone or on line. Some companies
will require you fax or mail a copy of your FOID and the seller keeps it on file.
Others avoid the complications and just choose as their policy not to ship to
Illinois.

Now here is a nice loophole in the whole mess. Illinois does not require a
FOID card be presented when purchasing primers, powder, cases or bullets.

I regularly order the above components shipped to my house no signature
required UPS ground. As a matter of fact a $900 order for .308 bullets,
H1000, .300 Whby Mag cases and Magnum Match primers are enroute,
some of the order has showed already. Nary a FOID to be seen... LOL

BTW, this is all from the 1968 anti gun laws passed in the wake of the 60's
assaination sprees.
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Golly- while small arms cartridges are indeed HAZMAT, there is an EXCEPTION in the DOT regs for transporting modest quantities (66 lbs or less) shipped by ground transport.

ORM-D stands for Other Regulated Material- Consumer Goods- and the cartridges, small arms specifies what the consumer good IS.

FWIW, among other subjects, I teach the OSHA 40 hr hazardous Waste Operations & Emergency Response course (HAZWOPER) and there is a GREAT deal of incorrect info bouncing around on shipping ordinary ammo.

You do not need to be certified as a HAZMAT shipper to get or use the ORM-D label- you can actually draw one with a Sharpie on the box. However, my suggestion would be to click on the image I posted, save it as a picture in your computer, and print when you need.

And relax- no offense taken here. Sometimes the folks like to pull legs, y'know?
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FWIW, among other subjects, I teach the OSHA 40 hr hazardous Waste Operations & Emergency Response course (HAZWOPER) and there is a GREAT deal of incorrect info bouncing around on shipping ordinary ammo.
Is there anything you don't do?
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Golly- while small arms cartridges are indeed HAZMAT, there is an EXCEPTION in the DOT regs for transporting modest quantities (66 lbs or less) shipped by ground transport.

ORM-D stands for Other Regulated Material- Consumer Goods- and the cartridges, small arms specifies what the consumer good IS.

FWIW, among other subjects, I teach the OSHA 40 hr hazardous Waste Operations & Emergency Response course (HAZWOPER) and there is a GREAT deal of incorrect info bouncing around on shipping ordinary ammo.

You do not need to be certified as a HAZMAT shipper to get or use the ORM-D label- you can actually draw one with a Sharpie on the box. However, my suggestion would be to click on the image I posted, save it as a picture in your computer, and print when you need.

And relax- no offense taken here. Sometimes the folks like to pull legs, y'know?
Regulations are a fickle b*tch. I work in the chemical business. With some
very flammible materials, acetone for example. You can ship, thousands of
small bottles something like 4 or 8 ounce bottles, packed in cases loaded on
pallets and fill a semi with all the pallets than can fit without any special
labeling. But you put one 55 gallon drum on a truck and you swear that it
was nuclear waste you were hauling.
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I was wondering can you have ammo sent to your house or does it have to go through a FFL dealer. If it does have to go through a dealer do they charge to have it shipped to them like they do firearms??
Ammo is shipped directly to your front door steps by UPS.
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Shade- very good post! The thing that makes little sense of the FOID thing- as a resident of Virginia, visiting in IL, it is legal for me to buy ammo, and no havva FOID. Go figure!
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Jordan- I started with explosives in mining and construction. Along the way became an OSHA and MSHA outreach instructor. Sort of fell into the HAZWOPER course when they first started requiring it, since explosives fall into that category.

Shade- yep on containers. A semi full of bottles of nail polish remover- 63% acetone- no problem. Consumer goods. A 55 gal drum of the SAME THING- but labeled as acetone- the Angel of DOT shall descend on thee with a fiery sword !
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Jordan- I started with explosives in mining and construction. Along the way became an OSHA and MSHA outreach instructor. Sort of fell into the HAZWOPER course when they first started requiring it, since explosives fall into that category.
That's really cool!

Have you ever had the opportunity to do any "explosion welding" to make various types of clad? I saw a segment on TV about that and it looks pretty interesting.
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Have had thousands of rounds come to my house, never signed for any of it, they leave it right at the door if you put in shipping instructions. "No Signature Required". Different states may have different laws.
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Jordan- most of my work is hard rock (Faith can move mountains, but Atlas Power-Gel is quicker!) and demolition, but have played around a bit with explosive forming of metals, impact welding, etc. Nothing all that great. 1/2 lb of 40% dynamite creates about 1 million horsepower (albeit briefly) and can do a lot of things IF the force is properly directed.
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