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Old 07-24-2012, 03:16 PM   #21
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Might go against popular opinion here, but I don't see much of a need to carry inside the parks, where they actually put you through a "security check"

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We go to disney quite often. we're "DVC" members, and it's actually quite cheap to go. (heavy, expensive up front buy in costs, but we bought ours "resale" and saved a bunch of money there, plus we actually use our points making the most value for our money spent) In all of our trips there, not once have I ever run into someone where it turned into a confrontation, and I've been there on very busy days. Everyone in the park has been polite, respectful, courteous, and just looking to make the most of their day there. no one goes looking to get into a fight with their kid standing right next to them, in a crowded public theme park. accidental contact has always been met with "oh, excuse me" or "I'm sorry!" not once have I ever heard anyone shout out "HEY! WATCH IT BUDDY!" or "WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?!"

so the chances of needing a firearm in that type of situation at Disney, is pretty much non-existent, as you can always simply say "I'm sorry/excuse me" and turn and walk away, even if the other person continues to try to escalate the situation. if you delay such confrontations long enough, eventually Disney Security will intervene anyway.

That leaves a massacre/hostage type situation as being the only real threat, someone going in with the intent to kill or hurt as many people as possible. In that situation, you just need to survive. Disney has security on site, throughout the park. they also have armed police officers standing by throughout the parks. I think most of us would know how to get low, take cover and wait it out safely.

yes, I know, when seconds count authorities are minutes away, and it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it, and it's our 2nd amendment right to carry where we want, and...

But when I am at Disney, I pay close attention to what's going on all around me, the people, the employees, the security measures, and I feel that inside the parks, Disney has created a pretty dang safe environment. Did you guys know there's electric fences around the parks to keep out fence hoppers? or the mirad of underground tunnels used by "cast members" to quickly move about the park? or noticed the "plain clothes" security guys in the crowds?

I actually had one come up to me immediately after going through security, he was dressed like a park visitor, but showed me his Disney ID card and security badge, and said "Sir, I noticed you have a pocket knife clipped to your pants pocket, we do not allow weapons here, and I'll ask that you please come with me to lock it up in a locker out front"


Just my thoughts on carrying inside a disney park. now, in and around the hotel, or at the downtown disney area, where there is a lot less security, no secure perimeter, etc. I can see one carrying their firearm with them to those locations.

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Might go against popular opinion here, but I don't see much of a need to carry inside the parks, where they actually put you through a "security check"

here's why:

We go to disney quite often. we're "DVC" members, and it's actually quite cheap to go. (heavy, expensive up front buy in costs, but we bought ours "resale" and saved a bunch of money there, plus we actually use our points making the most value for our money spent) In all of our trips there, not once have I ever run into someone where it turned into a confrontation, and I've been there on very busy days. Everyone in the park has been polite, respectful, courteous, and just looking to make the most of their day there. no one goes looking to get into a fight with their kid standing right next to them, in a crowded public theme park. accidental contact has always been met with "oh, excuse me" or "I'm sorry!" not once have I ever heard anyone shout out "HEY! WATCH IT BUDDY!" or "WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?!"

so the chances of needing a firearm in that type of situation at Disney, is pretty much non-existent, as you can always simply say "I'm sorry/excuse me" and turn and walk away, even if the other person continues to try to escalate the situation. if you delay such confrontations long enough, eventually Disney Security will intervene anyway.

That leaves a massacre/hostage type situation as being the only real threat, someone going in with the intent to kill or hurt as many people as possible. In that situation, you just need to survive. Disney has security on site, throughout the park. they also have armed police officers standing by throughout the parks. I think most of us would know how to get low, take cover and wait it out safely.

yes, I know, when seconds count authorities are minutes away, and it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it, and it's our 2nd amendment right to carry where we want, and...

But when I am at Disney, I pay close attention to what's going on all around me, the people, the employees, the security measures, and I feel that inside the parks, Disney has created a pretty dang safe environment. Did you guys know there's electric fences around the parks to keep out fence hoppers? or the mirad of underground tunnels used by "cast members" to quickly move about the park? or noticed the "plain clothes" security guys in the crowds?

I actually had one come up to me immediately after going through security, he was dressed like a park visitor, but showed me his Disney ID card and security badge, and said "Sir, I noticed you have a pocket knife clipped to your pants pocket, we do not allow weapons here, and I'll ask that you please come with me to lock it up in a locker out front"


Just my thoughts on carrying inside a disney park. now, in and around the hotel, or at the downtown disney area, where there is a lot less security, no secure perimeter, etc. I can see one carrying their firearm with them to those locations.
That makes sense, but my primary concern would not be the errant drunk making an a$$ of himself. My primary concern would be that Disney is a very high profile, soft target. What better place for a few islamo-fascists to make a statement in the US.

I found it very easy to walk into Disney carrying a weapon, and I wasn't trying to do it with any ulterior motives.
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Agree with Scott on that. They don't pat people down they just check in bags, talk about a soft target with a bunch of defenseless people.

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Agree with Scott on that. They don't pat people down they just check in bags, talk about a soft target with a bunch of defenseless people.
Can you imagine the news coverage showing people in costume laying dead? That would scar a generation of kids: "Mommy! Mickey is all bloody" "Daddy, what is wrong with Goofy".
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While I do see Disney as a soft target, I don't see it as the type of target that would be attractive to a lone gunman. I see it as more of a bomb or planes falling out of the sky type target, and any concealable weapon isn't going to help in that situation.

If you have spent any amount of time at DW, and if your situational awareness is what it should be, you should have noticed that the greatest concentrations of people happen before the theme park security checkpoints, in line for Disney Transportation, and in the lines for the most popular rides. Simply altering your behavior can help you avoid that problem. Don't be there when the gates first open. Wait until the crowd at security thins. Don't use Disney transportation during peak hours. Don't carry a purse or large bag so you can skip the security checkpoint crowds. Use FastPass.

In all the times I have been to Disney I have only felt unsafe on one occasion. My last trip included a stay at Coronado Springs, and it was the only time I felt the need to travel in pairs and travel armed. Needless to say, I won't be going back to that hotel under any circumstances.

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While I do see Disney as a soft target, I don't see it as the type of target that would be attractive to a lone gunman. I see it as more of a bomb or planes falling out of the sky type target, and any concealable weapon isn't going to help in that situation.

If you have spent any amount of time at DW, and if your situational awareness is what it should be, you should have noticed that the greatest concentrations of people happen before the theme park security checkpoints, in line for Disney Transportation, and in the lines for the most popular rides. Simply altering your behavior can help you avoid that problem. Don't be there when the gates first open. Wait until the crowd at security thins. Don't use Disney transportation during peak hours. Don't carry a purse or large bag so you can skip the security checkpoint crowds. Use FastPass.

In all the times I have been to Disney I have only felt unsafe on one occasion. My last trip included a stay at Coronado Springs, and it was the only time I felt the need to travel in pairs and travel armed. Needless to say, I won't be going back to that hotel under any circumstances.
when we go, we like staying at different resorts, since our DVC points work anywhere, but haven't been to the springs yet. what was going on there that made you feel unsafe? just the particular people staying at the hotel at the same time?
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when we go, we like staying at different resorts, since our DVC points work anywhere, but haven't been to the springs yet. what was going on there that made you feel unsafe? just the particular people staying at the hotel at the same time?
We saw an inebriated guest vs. housekeeper incident our first night. Our initial impression was an abduction in progress, which it might well have been if the drunks buddy didn't pull him away. We were up to our ears in drunken guests arguing every night we were there.

Once you get away from the waterfront walkways the lighting is very bad providing way to many places for an aggressor to hide. As far as security is concerned, I never saw any until our last day there. Somebody followed me through the gate and he stopped them.

It is the only place I have ever been in DW that I was on edge and worried about our safety for the entire time I was there. I survived a career dealing with people that are usually less than happy, and for the most part I did it on their turf. My situational awareness is pretty good, and Coronado Springs scared me like no other place in Disney. I won't go back there under any circumstances.
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Heck, the Wifey & I spent our Honeymoon at Disneyworld...but I left the pistola's in the SUV...rollercoasters are not someplace you wanna loose a pistol...
or worse, just think about the Water Rides...Splash Mountain/etc...get yer piece soaked, and then have to leave it inside yer pants all day?? OUCH!!

Disney Security ain't bad, for what it is...but they don't know what to look for when it comes to concealment,
as I accidently wore my stealth knife/belt in...and since it is carbon fiber-ceramic, doesn't set off metal detectors...
When I remembered it, I had an OHSQUISH moment...then carried on...figuring it was better to have than to have not...

And yeah, a nutcase could definitely have a field day at Disney...
think of it this way...he wouldn't even have to go IN!!
Just wait for a Blockage Time where there are a ton of people waiting to get in and hit 'em before the gates...
ton of folks trapped between the gates & the bad guy with nowhere to go...
I'd hate to be stuck in a mess like that!!

Of course, as we saw in Aurora...any place there's a couple hundred people in a compact area can be a big problem...
when you put a couple Thousand in a tight area...bad things can happen...like Concert Stampedes...etc...
Perhaps we should ALL be thinking in a more Israeli Defense-style thought process...
it's probably only a matter of time before we have multiple attacks at highly populated venues due to drug gangs or terrorists...

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Thanks for the insight Doc! I'll make sure we don't stay there. So far we've stayed at: Animal kingdom, Port Orleans, Boardwalk/Yacht club, Shades of Green, Old Key West, and even a few nights at the discount hotels with the music, movies theme. And even that one was a nice place. clean, well-lit, etc. --the stairwells were VERY brightly lit all night, but they had black "screens" around the stairwells to keep the light pollution to a minimum. everywhere else was standard low-level pathway lighting, enough that you can see without being bright, stark, florescent lighting. Only real difference was that the discount hotel had less...Ambiance when you walk into the main lobby, and the rooms were a bit smaller, but still plenty of room for a family of 4 plus luggage

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Thanks for the insight Doc! I'll make sure we don't stay there. So far we've stayed at: Animal kingdom, Port Orleans, Boardwalk/Yacht club, Shades of Green, Old Key West, and even a few nights at the discount hotels with the music, movies theme. And even that one was a nice place. clean, well-lit, etc. --the stairwells were VERY brightly lit all night, but they had black "screens" around the stairwells to keep the light pollution to a minimum. everywhere else was standard low-level pathway lighting, enough that you can see without being bright, stark, florescent lighting. Only real difference was that the discount hotel had less...Ambiance when you walk into the main lobby, and the rooms were a bit smaller, but still plenty of room for a family of 4 plus luggage
You should try Wilderness Lodge. That is by far our favorite. The lobby is a little noisy with the restaurant right there, but the staff is great, the architecture is fantastic, and transportation is easy. We also found the other guests to be more friendly than some other places we stayed. I felt totally secure there.

We did a Christmas season trip to Grand Floridian, and it was absolutely beautiful but more expensive. The best part of that was the swing/jazz band every night. Being a monorail hotel was convenient, too. If you are ever at DW during the Christmas season you need to at least stop by Grand Floridian, Polynesian, and Wilderness Lodge to see their decorations. Again, Grand Floridian felt safe to me, the staff was great, but the guests were a little snobbish. With all the fun we were having that didn't matter.

We did a weekend at Fort Wilderness in one of the cabins. Think short single wide with log siding. The cabins are way out from transportation to the parks, but there is bus transportation available. It was clean, well stocked, and we saw several deer from our porch. I'm guessing they were not animatronic. My advice is if you go there you should plan on renting a cart since the buses are irregular at best. We wasted a lot of time waiting for buses that could have been better spent elsewhere. At least an hour and a half a day.

Like I said, Coronado is the only place that had me on edge of all the places we have stayed at Disney. Our next trip will be to one of the value resorts to get an impression of them. From a quick walk through of a couple of them I think we will enjoy them.
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