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Old 04-17-2009, 11:11 PM   #21
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I am not saying american cars are no good. I am just saying that we get these ugly things that are not as good looking as cars sold by the same company. We get stuck with gas guzzling cars while other countries get cars with more engine options they get ethanol, gas, and diesel engines. We get gas and that is it.

WTF?

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I am not saying american cars are no good.
I know. I know. I kind of hijacked this thread. Sorry. It really amazes me that my low tech 93 truck that I run the crap out of and could use a tune-up gets better mileage than my high tech, aluminum blocked 05 Trailblazer. I am kind of soured on the 16/19 that it advertised on the sticker and it really gets 13/16. They should be able to do better. Maybe they can and maybe that is just one of the many reasons that they are in the mess they are in. Again, sorry to skew the thread.
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This is the 54 Old 88 my dad and I built.



These cars today are not rebuildable they are throw away plastic junk. They have all these safety features and these morons today think they can drive like morons while talking on the phone, texting, putting on makeup, brushing their teeth and who knows what else.
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Threads have a tendancy to wander, but I think I started the American car thing with my comment that I was looking at Civics. Spitinfire, you driving a 94 Ranger is good, but honestly, you nor I are really helping the American car manufacuturers by driving 15 year old vehicles. My Chevy is a '93. Have you checked where 90% of the parts are coming from that we have to install in place of the worn out parts? Not from here. Even if you by FoMoCo or I by GM or Delco, it is probably not from here. Here's a great thing about American cars: Your motor in your Ranger, it's a Mazda. From Japan. See what I meant when I posted my first response (post)? Even if we buy American, are they really American? Designed, tested, built and installed in America. Probably not. So, if I buy a Chevy built in Canada or Mexico, am I really doing anything worse than buying a Honda built in the US?

Here's my dilemma: My current cars are: 72 Monte Carlo, 93 Z-28, 94 Mazda truck (same truck as your Ford) , 93 Chevy truck and a 2005 Chevy Trailblazer. The Trailblazer, being the newest and most representative of the newer GM cars available, is not that great of a vehicle. Why? Fuel economy. I took it back twice and they laughed at me. It has never gotten anywhere close to the advertised MPG and the drivability was horrible prior to me getting an aftermarket tune for the vehicle. (Not something that I would typically spend $$ on, but I felt I had no choice.) It runs/shifts great now, but the economy is still not the greatest, but it is better... just a tad. The A/C system is inadequate at low speeds too. So, I am a tried and true GM guy which is the same as being a pro-American car manufacturer guy. However, I wish I would have bought the Armada or Sequioia, which were both a couple of bucks more, would have gotten the same or better MPG, held their value better and been much more pleasurable to drive from the very beginning.

So, when I send my kid off to school 3 hours away and he'll be running up the mileage coming back and forth for 4-5 years on weekends here and there, I'll more than likely buy a Honda because I know that I can probably change oil, put tires and brakes on it, the entire time, and that will be it.

Sorry to rant. I feel better now.
I wont disagree with you, thanksto our world economy I doubt we'll ever see a 100% American made vehicle again. I do try to make an effort to buy American goods whenever possible even if part of it isn't made here.
by the way, are you sure the 4.0 is a Mazda engine? I know they're the same trucks from 93 on and I know the current 4 clinder in Rangers is a Mazda motor but I'm pretty sure the 4.0 came from Ford.
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by the way, are you sure the 4.0 is a Mazda engine? I know they're the same trucks from 93 on and I know the current 4 clinder in Rangers is a Mazda motor but I'm pretty sure the 4.0 came from Ford.
Our 3.0 is Mazda I think. I don't know about the 4.0.

I'm with you on buying American, but it is difficult. I had to replace the water pump on the Trailblazer (at 65K!... which is normal ) and the thermostat and new belt tensioner I bought said "Made in Mexico" and "Made in Canada". I guess it's better than it being made in China.
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That Ford Falcon looks pretty good. We were talking today at work about how the Fords are so bland and GM cars are pretty stylish or for the younger generation. Pontiac has several nice looking cars, but to be honest, when I sat in a G6 the other day and closed the door, it felt cheap. The foreign cars, if there still is such a thing, they do not feel that way. This summer, we'll be buying either a Civic, G6, Mazda 3, or some other car in that group for my son to take to college. I'll spend more for a Civic, but I think it would be a better car a year or two older and with 30,000 miles than a new or almost new Cobalt or even a G6. It's hard to believe that, me bing the American car guy that I am, but today, I have to spend what money I do have as wisely as possible. Right now, I am leaning toward Honda or Mazda.

Sorry to stray from the thread.... just thinking out loud... But, this country is over controlled by government regulations (OSHA, CPSC, Department of Labor) both in the products and the work place. In my opinion, I think a lot of the regulations are pushed by manufacturers of the equipment that makes things "safe". Here is the real problem: It is about to get way, way worse. This only means that things are going to cost much, much more to service and manufacture.
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Threads have a tendancy to wander, but I think I started the American car thing with my comment that I was looking at Civics. Spitinfire, you driving a 94 Ranger is good, but honestly, you nor I are really helping the American car manufacuturers by driving 15 year old vehicles. My Chevy is a '93. Have you checked where 90% of the parts are coming from that we have to install in place of the worn out parts? Not from here. Even if you by FoMoCo or I by GM or Delco, it is probably not from here. Here's a great thing about American cars: Your motor in your Ranger, it's a Mazda. From Japan. See what I meant when I posted my first response (post)? Even if we buy American, are they really American? Designed, tested, built and installed in America. Probably not. So, if I buy a Chevy built in Canada or Mexico, am I really doing anything worse than buying a Honda built in the US?

Here's my dilemma: My current cars are: 72 Monte Carlo, 93 Z-28, 94 Mazda truck (same truck as your Ford) , 93 Chevy truck and a 2005 Chevy Trailblazer. The Trailblazer, being the newest and most representative of the newer GM cars available, is not that great of a vehicle. Why? Fuel economy. I took it back twice and they laughed at me. It has never gotten anywhere close to the advertised MPG and the drivability was horrible prior to me getting an aftermarket tune for the vehicle. (Not something that I would typically spend $$ on, but I felt I had no choice.) It runs/shifts great now, but the economy is still not the greatest, but it is better... just a tad. The A/C system is inadequate at low speeds too. So, I am a tried and true GM guy which is the same as being a pro-American car manufacturer guy. However, I wish I would have bought the Armada or Sequioia, which were both a couple of bucks more, would have gotten the same or better MPG, held their value better and been much more pleasurable to drive from the very beginning.

So, when I send my kid off to school 3 hours away and he'll be running up the mileage coming back and forth for 4-5 years on weekends here and there, I'll more than likely buy a Honda because I know that I can probably change oil, put tires and brakes on it, the entire time, and that will be it.

Sorry to rant. I feel better now.

No new cars get anywhere near their EPA mileage estimates. New vehicles are packed with so many heavy safety devices that the big engines are necessary to get just adequate performance. That isn't a trait of GM vehicles, it's across the board. And a Sequia probably wouldn't get better mileage because Toyota's V8 engines are over head cam designs which are inherently less efficient than the lighter weight pushrod engines. Both designs work well, but the chevy small block has always had a bit of an advantage efficiency-wise over comparable OHC engines.

And frankly the whole buy american argument is part of what put the big three in the situation they are in now. They rode a wave of diehard Ford, GM, or Mopar fans who would buy that brand without even considering something else. As a result they weren't really competing with each other in many vehicle segments (pickup trucks being an exception), they were simply building something that would work until the warranty expires at the lowest cost possible. The import manufactures had to claw their way into our market and they did it by building better vehicles. The big three didn't care at first because they only grabbed a small bit of the market, but they soon began to take over.

It's in our best interest to ignore the country of origin on the products we are buying because it forces our own industries to remain innovative. The U.S. has the potential to design the best products in the world, thus making the U.S. more prosperous and raise our standard of living, but that is hindered by buy american sentiment. The free market truly does make our lives better, but not if we try to hinder it through protectionism (whether driven by government mandate or consumer sentiment).

If you want American manufactures to build the best products, don't support them until they get their act together and put our the best products.
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You know I forgot about them. I got friends that have 2 of them. they are spunky and cool looking. Plus they are a toyota and will last darn near forever.
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WOW looks like they got a few to me.

But who am I.

To call that hunk of Mexican steel and plastic a classic is blasphemy. Esp when it has some kiddy bumper cover on it to make it look like crap even more.
What? I expect your picking on my '99 camaro, If you only knew that car. All the same no comment on my '68? I like the auzi cars you put up, top speed of 30mph?.
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I have been looking at them and I am sure they are a good vehicle since they are a Toyota. At first, they seem a bit pricey, but in comparision to a Civic, perhaps I should look a little harder at them. Thanks!
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