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Old 01-12-2012, 10:05 PM   #121
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Na thats arkansas shoobee.
The Clintons (can I say that outside of the political page?) left Arkansas with a rather bad rap, I know, yes. But I still like Arkansas.

I had a friend in college way back from Arkansas, a cowboy type, like Texans usually are known for being, and he was a really great guy, like Texans are also usually known for being, and everybody liked him, so I have always thought that everyone from Arkansas must be fairly easy going, same as Texans.

The states that usually get a bad rap are --

- West Virginia
- Oregon
- Okla

Not sure why. Maybe because industry has not gained a major foothold there. Just coal mining in W. Va. and logging in Ore.

Okla has Tulsa, which is a major oil-and-gas city, like Houston. So it would seem that Okla is really OK (their slogan). Maybe its just the land grabbing back in 1907 from the Native Americans, that's a legacy issue there. Or the 1930s dust bowl. Don't know which.

Nobody had complained about Okla much since Switzer left OU and dirty football left the NCAA as well. I think the games between UT and OU have all been fair and square ever since.

I have been to Okla and I have seen the beauty of the Wichita Mtns Wildlife Park. It is really beautiful there, especially for being in the middle of the great plains, up on a dry plateau, with high heat and droughts all the time.

I enjoyed freediving in their 2 big lakes there, Latonka and Thomas.

There is a lot of wild game in this park reserve. Bison (very rare elsewhere), whitetail deer, rabbits, squirrels, pheasant, quail, armadillos, and 'possums.

Rabbit tastes like dark-meat chicken, pheasant has a naturally lemon taste, and armadillos taste like a very juicy ham. We would hunt these on the military base nearby the reserve, with our archery, at the archery park there. It was always open season on anything that moved there. The game wardens did not come onto the base. And the MPs did not care either. That was a long time ago.
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He is a troll - he attacked me on two threads this week for absolutely no reason - I will ignore ALL his postings.
What? I attacked you? What did you say to start it all? Confess.

As Johnny Depp would say in Pirates Of The Caribbean, "I do not recall threatening you before? Have our paths crossed?"
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Man grow up! Do you really think your adding something to the conversation with remarks like that.
My original point was that Glocks are fad guns, and anyone that has one probably bought it because they wanted to say they have a Glock. And they are cheap guns, therefore police depts tend to buy lots of them.

The false arguments that I was attempting to refute were (1) because they are popular they must be good; and (2) because police depts use them they must be good.

These inferences are strictly bad logic. And they are clear indications of weak minds. Minds that have not been educated in logical thinking, only in fad thinking.

That's what I was trying to add to the conversation.

I don't cheerlead for something just because it is popular. I would not want anyone that I know and care about to own a Glock.

Colt, Browning, Ruger, Sig, and CZ are each much better (and unfortunately more expensive) guns, if you compare them side by side.
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Shoooooobe, I take it your from tx. If that is the case, how can you talk about dirty football? Ever hear the words DEATH PENALTY SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY.

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What could you possibly mean by that?? I'm plenty strange without being of the local predominant religion.
Seriously though, I presume you are talking about the predominant faith here?
FWIW, Me & the family are transplants. In the more populous areas there has been enough influx of "outsiders" to kind of temper some of the overt stuff. Mormons tend to be cordial/polite to us outsiders at the very least. They are typically good neighbors. Quiet & polite, and as a non mormon, they tend to not get into your business. Being up here around the base, it's more of a melting pot than some areas.
I got stationed at Hill AFB back in 03. Retired here in 06. Utah has a lot going for it. Fishing, hunting, skiing, etc. I'm more "indoorsy," though I'll be ready to break out the Triumph when the weather warms up.
They do not really like "outsiders" for one thing.

There is indeed a lot of proselyting as well.

The notion of secularity has not really caught on there.

They also do not believe alcohol has any health benefits, even though many med school and research hospital studies now indicate that red wine has a two-fold benefit for men in cleaning your arteries and preventing prostate cancer.

There was a leader there around the 1930s who was gung-ho for prohibition, and so he forced all of them in Utah into church prohibition. It has stuck with them even though the Fed Constitution was re-amended to get rid of prohibition. ironically, this guy himself died of congested arteries in his heart. A glass of wine every day at dinner might have saved him. So his own blind faith actually killed him.

The oddest thing is that they are often against social security and medicare, and even though you have paid in the taxes all your life to these programs, many of them feel it is "unpatriotic" to draw social security or medicare benefits.

Those notions hail back to the 1800s and early 1900s and are still fairly prevalent views.

Their deer herds have been decimated by over-hunting, and so now they rotate their hunters by even-odd years.

They do have great skiing though, due to the unique combination of the climate there and the snowfall. That is one good thing about skiing and snowmobiling there.

The business climate is not great there, but if you are retiring, that is a benefit, with lower costs of living, unless you too also want to work during your retirement. Many Utahans I know come to California or go to Colorado to find work.

Idaho to the north, Colorado to the east, Arizona to the south, and Nevada to the west are all more fun places with better hunting, for one thing.

Just giving you a fair warning. That way you can make a better decision with no surprises.
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Shoooooobe, I take it your from tx. If that is the case, how can you talk about dirty football? Ever hear the words DEATH PENALTY SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY.
I am "from" Florida and I am "in" California, but I have had the pleasure of living in Texas at Wichita Falls for about 5 years when I was a kid at Sheppard AFB. I have grown to respect Texans, and I know they hate everything north of their state line, mostly due to dirty football at OU, so maybe that is where and why I heard about the bias.
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They do not really like "outsiders" for one thing.

There is indeed a lot of proselyting as well.

The notion of secularity has not really caught on there.

They also do not believe alcohol has any health benefits, even though many med school and research hospital studies now indicate that red wine has a two-fold benefit for men in cleaning your arteries and preventing prostate cancer.

There was a leader there around the 1930s who was gung-ho for prohibition, and so he forced all of them in Utah into church prohibition. It has stuck with them even though the Fed Constitution was re-amended to get rid of prohibition. ironically, this guy himself died of congested arteries in his heart. A glass of wine every day at dinner might have saved him. So his own blind faith actually killed him.

The oddest thing is that they are often against social security and medicare, and even though you have paid in the taxes all your life to these programs, many of them feel it is "unpatriotic" to draw social security or medicare benefits.

Those notions hail back to the 1800s and early 1900s and are still fairly prevalent views.

Their deer herds have been decimated by over-hunting, and so now they rotate their hunters by even-odd years.

They do have great skiing though, due to the unique combination of the climate there and the snowfall. That is one good thing about skiing and snowmobiling there.

The business climate is not great there, but if you are retiring, that is a benefit, with lower costs of living, unless you too also want to work during your retirement. Many Utahans I know come to California or go to Colorado to find work.

Idaho to the north, Colorado to the east, Arizona to the south, and Nevada to the west are all more fun places with better hunting, for one thing.

Just giving you a fair warning. That way you can make a better decision with no surprises.

Its miss understandings like this that almost make me upset. I was born and raised both in Utah and a "morman". If anyone would like to truly understand US or our lovely state just adk. Dont rely on haters, hating.
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Its miss understandings like this that almost make me upset. I was born and raised both in Utah and a "morman". If anyone would like to truly understand US or our lovely state just adk. Dont rely on haters, hating.
I don't hate it, but I would not want to live there, and for anyone considering it, unless they too are of the local persuasion, I would not recommend it.

The main reason to go there is for the snow, if you are a real perfectionist skiier. But Colorado has snow also.

There are no casinos, so all the fun is to the south or west in Nevada.

There is little good hunting, that has been overkilled.

I don't know about the fishing.

What else do people do when they are retired?
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I was born and raised in New Hampshire lived there most of my life I was building houses back in the late 80s early 90s.
Ended up with one too many just across the border in Maine and I have been here for 23 years now.
I actually only sleep in Maine but still work buy and sell in NH I'm only 5 miles from where I started.
I love hunting and fishing and spend a good deal of time on Lake Winnipesaukee and hunt in both States.

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I don't hate it, but I would not want to live there, and for anyone considering it, unless they too are of the local persuasion, I would not recommend it.

The main reason to go there is for the snow, if you are a real perfectionist skiier. But Colorado has snow also.

There are no casinos, so all the fun is to the south or west in Nevada.

There is little good hunting, that has been overkilled.

I don't know about the fishing.

What else do people do when they are retired?
Just what do this and your past several posts have to do with where you live and why you live there? As far as I can see you have not lived in Utah. I surmise that you don't care for Mormons. You think that Utah has great skiing but I don't gather that you ski. I do gather that you like gambling though.

I live in California. I have lived here all my life. That is probably why I still live here. I have traveled all over these United states and this is the most pleasant climate I have encountered in all of my travels. The deep south has high humidity, tornadoes and hurricanes. California has highly predictable weather, low humidity and every once in awhile we get an earthquake. I like that.
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