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Old 03-08-2009, 05:03 AM   #1
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I just wonder why it is that some people can't just leave shooters alone. Me and a bunch of friends were out shooting today and just as we were finishing up here come the police. My friend has over 300 acres and we are extremely careful when it comes to shooting, but more often than not you have to have some person who will call up the police and complain. Mind you I am not complaining about the officers, they were very hospitable. One of the officers was very impressed with my RA XCR. I offered to let him shoot it but he declined, saying it would look bad, but you could see in his eyes he would have loved to pull the trigger a couple of times. I just wish other people would keep their noses out of other people's business, especially when it doesn't concern them.

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Old 03-08-2009, 05:16 AM   #2
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300 acres, and a cop ventures onto the land? And, after he gets there, he said it would 'look bad' if he shot your nice iron? If it is, as I am not familiar with an RA XCR.

1. Who's looking
2. The police have been there before
3. Place you are shooting is extremely close to the person watching
4. You are shooting in a State that is not gun friendly

Me, "Why are you here? If someone called you here, I have a right to talk to them. Face my accuser."

Around here, no LEO would venture onto 300 acres ringing with gun fire.

No reason, unless there has been a reason in the past or bad behavior.

Seriously, 300 acres? Sorry, but I don't buy it. The story you laid out smells rotten, even in Denmark.

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Sorry you think the story is hogwash, Skullcrusher, but it went down just as written. The XCR I mentioned is produced by Robinson Armament and is an excellent semi-auto firearm. My XCR is set up with an Eotech 552 A65 with Yankee Hill BUIS and a green laser as sighting systems. Tango Down rail covers, a UTG vertical foregrip, phantom flash hider and MI sling attachment complete the rifle. It is a very accurate rifle as it was quite easy to nail the 1/2" steel man sized target set up at 200 yds. even with the cheap plinker ammo I was using. BTW there were, in fact, two police officers and yes, my friend who owns the land is known by many of the officers and officials of the county; for helping work out common sense ordinances concerning firearms and shooting. Have a good one and keep the sound of 2A ringing.

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640 acres in a square mile. Acre is 660' X 66' -- a "chain" by 10 chains. Square mile is 80 chains, by 80 chains.

I shoot on 3.51 acres and no one complains, .458 Win. Mag. rifles, shotguns, handguns, a small cannon.

But it depends where you are, and who is around you.

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Some people are very protective of their land. I've got some acreage out in the woods. I've got one "neighbor" out there that owns all of the land surrounding mine. He lives on his property, but few others live in the area.

Any time he hears gunfire, he instantly assumes that there are poachers or *******s that are tearing the land up. He makes both of these assumptions with good cause, as he's lived up there for over 20 years now. He deals with these people on a weekly basis and has had his life threatened at gun point and been run over by quads and trucks.

He no longer plays around with trespassers and poachers. He rolls up on his quad at 35 or 40, with his rifle at the ready. He begins all conversations with "I'm placing you under citizen's arrest for trespassing".

We've done this to ourselves though. Over the years, shooters have been less than responsible. We've left our garbage everywhere and shot at what ever we feel like shooting at.

With no respect for anyone else, we've made a name for ourselves over the years. I deal with it, not only as a shooter, but as a jeeper as well. Luckily, I live in an area that has a lot of BLM land available for public use.

The best way to counter negative public opinion is to invite the public along on organized events. The best events to bring them along on are usually range/trail cleanup days.

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Ronl, people with firearms get that sort of attention where ever they go. Sadly, some people are so afraid of firearms they almost crap their pants when they here a gun shot. This is just ignorance on their part. It sounds like the law was cool and that's all that matters.

I have neighbors that moved to Wisconsin from Chicago and they detest hunters, although, they told me if I get some extra venison they would really appreciate it if I would give them some. Yeah right.

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I feel your pain, I live right on a state highway and was told that I'm allowed to shoot in my backyard as long as I am shooting in a safe direction. I have a huge field behind the house that's probably 1500 yards long and it slopes up so anything I fire will go into the ground before it gets halfway across. Not long after I bought the house 3 years ago and moved in I shoot my M44 in the backyard and the neighboors called the police. They said somebody set off a bomb. The sheriffs deputy was pretty nice and went and talked to the lady that called them after he talked to me.

I haven't had any trouble since then and in fact I had some friends over last night and we fired about 1700 rounds and nobody bothered us. Most of the ammunition we fired was .45 ACP as three of us had .45 caliber 1911s.

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Trespassers generally are a concern for property owners. Gunfire just gives away their position. You don't "roll up in your quad with your gun at the ready" -- That's "brandishing" and "menacing" in most states, even if it's YOUR property.

Call the police and let them handle the matter. That's why the Sheriff is checking on you. And you seem to note that the Sheriff doesn't harass, he just checks.

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Trespassers generally are a concern for property owners. Gunfire just gives away their position. You don't "roll up in your quad with your gun at the ready" -- That's "brandishing" and "menacing" in most states, even if it's YOUR property.
I was in no way advocating that behavior, I was merely stating the lengths that some people will go to in order to keep trespassers and poachers off of their property.

To play devil's advocate though, he has "NO TRESPASSING" signs every 50 yards. In California, that's fair warning. To cross the marked property boundary is to knowingly break state law. When the first words out of his mouth when he approaches someone is that he's placing them under citizen's arrest for criminal trespass. Under state law, this gives him the legal authority to use whatever reasonable force he deems necessary to detain the person/s responsible for committing the crime. Seeing as how he has been hit with trucks and shot at, he has reasonable suspicion that the people he is approaching will act in a life threatening manner towards him.
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Trespassers generally are a concern for property owners. Gunfire just gives away their position. You don't "roll up in your quad with your gun at the ready" -- That's "brandishing" and "menacing" in most states, even if it's YOUR property.

Call the police and let them handle the matter. That's why the Sheriff is checking on you. And you seem to note that the Sheriff doesn't harass, he just checks.
If I walk onto your property (what, 3 acres) and you try to kick me off, I can just wait and say you brandished a gun? I felt threatened. What if I shoot you and call 911, and say you threatened me with a gun on your property, I won't be charged? Sweet, sign me up.
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