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MGH 03-20-2011 07:17 AM

Whiskey Pete
 
OK, so I'm taking a Justice Studies class and the professor had us watch a video where an Iraq Vet. says white phosphorus smoke was used in Fallujah to kill a bunch of civilians. He says W.P. can burn your skin and lungs in minutes but won't burn your clothes.

Everything I've looked at says W.P. is just used as a smoke screen or illumination but not a chemical weapon.

Any of you military guys have any information on this stuff?


The ex-Marine talks about W.P. at 16:50
Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre

(Mods, wasn't sure where to put this so feel free to move this where you want to.)

jeepcreep927 03-20-2011 09:57 AM

WP grenades are "generally" used for concealment (smoke) and incendiary purposes, but the smoke is definiately not good to inhale, not to mention the flames.

I've never personally heard of or seen them used as an anti personnel weapon, and they are not listed as a chemical weapon, but I'm not sayin' thay haven't been used as such.

c3shooter 03-20-2011 10:20 AM

WP (Willey Peter, not Whiskey Pete) is used to provide instant smoke, as opposed to HC smoke, which takes seconds to build up. It has also been used as a marker. Our FACs (Forward Air Controlelrs) would put a WP rocket in target area, and then direct air strikes in reference to the smoke location. As far as burning you, but not your clothes- on what planet? It is a themal reaction- very hot, and yes, can set stuff on fire- but not it's main use. Incendiary weapons are MUCH hotter. Looks impressive when round bursts, but is not as effective a casualty producer as HE. WP WILL continue to burn a long as there is WP and oxygen, since it ignites at room temp. Put it under water, stops burning, water runs off, reignites. You have to get it off of you, or treat it with copper sulfate solution, which reacts with the WP, and kills it chemically.

WP smoke, BTW, is WHITE, and billows upwards very quickly (due to heat) and does not last long. Colored smoke (red, purple, yellow, green) is NOT WP. Used for screening or signaling. There is also HC smoke- white, non WP, used for screening.

In a former life, have shot a few tons of WP. Not good to breathe ANY smoke.

Shihan 03-20-2011 03:09 PM

Whatever. Next you should watch the movie Sicko it's a documentary on US Healthcare.

Dude is not a Marine, He was a SPC in the Army.

He is hEckLe.socialistworker.org

This is the stuff they teach in Schools. Makes me want to vomit.

MGH 03-20-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 468820)
WP (Willey Peter, not Whiskey Pete)


Hey, thats what the guy called it in the video. :o

I figured the guy was either lying or exaggerating in the video.:rolleyes:
He made it sound like WP was rained down and the smoke alone killed everyone in the city.

Keep in mind I had to watch this for a class.:mad:

Jesse17 03-20-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MGH (Post 469006)
Hey, thats what the guy called it in the video. :o

I figured the guy was either lying or exaggerating in the video.:rolleyes:
He made it sound like WP was rained down and the smoke alone killed everyone in the city.

Keep in mind I had to watch this for a class.:mad:

Makes you wonder if this kind of BS is why so many professors seem to be hell bent on being anti-everything, liberal, baster.. or if they go looking for this kind of crap to support their views?

MGH 03-20-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse17 (Post 469010)
Makes you wonder if this kind of BS is why so many professors seem to be hell bent on being anti-everything, liberal, baster.. or if they go looking for this kind of crap to support their views?

Yeah, he's Italian and has 2 doctorate degrees; he's said his political views are "extreme-liberal." :eek:

Dillinger 03-20-2011 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MGH (Post 469016)
Yeah, he's Italian and has 2 doctorate degrees; he's said his political views are "extreme-liberal." :eek:

At which point I would have informed him of the following:
  • I was paying for this "class"
  • I rate his two doctorates right up there with Obama's
  • I will be In the parking lot if he would like to discuss my views and all his impressive "credentials" further
  • I will be expecting a full f**king refund or a transfer to a course where they teach what I like to refer to as THE TRUTH.
Tell this guy to get F**KED and transfer. You aren't going to get anything of worth from this tool and this one lesson is a shining example of what is wrong with the "advanced education system".


JD

cpttango30 03-20-2011 09:40 PM

See I suffer from stfuyswalpos shut the Fu up you whiny ass liberal piece of sh!t. Where I would have promptly told him that was a bunch of offing bs. Then I would have went on a rant about how someone so educated couldn't look up white phos on damn wikipedia. Then I would have called SPC Dumbass an idiot for putting out bad info.......


Then I would have walked out..

skullcrusher 03-20-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dillinger (Post 469017)
at which point i would have informed him of the following:
  • i was paying for this "class"
  • i rate his two doctorates right up there with obama's
  • i will be in the parking lot if he would like to discuss my views and all his impressive "credentials" further
  • i will be expecting a full f**king refund or a transfer to a course where they teach what i like to refer to as the truth.
tell this guy to get f**ked and transfer. You aren't going to get anything of worth from this tool and this one lesson is a shining example of what is wrong with the "advanced education system".


Jd

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