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Old 09-30-2013, 02:19 AM   #261
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i have my own definitions of what i call a sniper. a person who uses a certain set of skills to get within range of an objective and remove it, under stealth and concealment. like thos in the employ of the military.

IMO, the DC sniper wasn't a sniper, just a murderer. Lee Harvey Oswald, not a sniper, an assassin. killers, murderers, and assassins, maybe even doing it long range but not snipers.

these are just what i happen to think and others may have different thoughts.
Axx, my brother. Murderer is a legal term. Snipers kill people and depending which side of the fence they are on, they may or may not be murderers. The case of the FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge. He shot an infant in it's mother's arms. Wouldn't this be called a murder?..The guys in DC were clearly murderers, Oswald, murderer, The guy in the Texas tower, murderer, FBI guy at Ruby Ridge,.............Write in your own verdict. I am just saying that they used sniper skills. It was not point and spray, it was not drive by, and it was not even walking from office to office at the Navy Yard, shooting random people. They fired from a concealed "nest" or position They selected their targets, and then using their scopes, breath control and trigger squeeze, hit the target. The inocent never saw it coming Sniper is just a word. It does not apply or denie sainthood based on the shooter's motives

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snip·er (snpr)
n.
1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
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How about that the Glock 17 would pass through a metal detector??? A plastic gun???
I remember that! The Glock was supposed to be the end of the world as we know it.

Here's another: Ammo will cook off in a fire.
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i have heard that one too!

would make a good Mythbusters episode!
....only if it's shooting a .45.
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Axx, my brother. Murderer is a legal term. Snipers kill people and depending which side of the fence they are on, they may or may not be murderers. The case of the FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge. He shot an infant in it's mother's arms. Wouldn't this be called a murder?..The guys in DC were clearly murderers, Oswald, murderer, The guy in the Texas tower, murderer, FBI guy at Ruby Ridge,.............Write in your own verdict. I am just saying that they used sniper skills. It was not point and spray, it was not drive by, and it was not even walking from office to office at the Navy Yard, shooting random people. They fired from a concealed "nest" or position They selected their targets, and then using their scopes, breath control and trigger squeeze, hit the target. The inocent never saw it coming Sniper is just a word. It does not apply or denie sainthood based on the shooter's motives
i agree to a point. IMO, a sniper is someone who is authorized to make that shot or kill, military or SWAT member. anyone else we can hang any other label we want to on them, murderer, assassin, killer, ect.,,,,,

yes they may use the same skill set as sniper, but for all purposes, are nothing more than a killer or murderer IMO.
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i agree to a point. IMO, a sniper is someone who is authorized to make that shot or kill, military or SWAT member. anyone else we can hang any other label we want to on them, murderer, assassin, killer, ect.,,,,, yes they may use the same skill set as sniper, but for all purposes, are nothing more than a killer or murderer IMO.

Guess I'm nit picking here, but what you said was that a "sniper"/"sharpshooter" has to be given an order to actually make his intended kill.

Would that not mean if someone in a terrorist cell was given an order by the one leading it to go out and kill as many innocent people as possible, he'd be a sniper?
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Guess I'm nit picking here, but what you said was that a "sniper"/"sharpshooter" has to be given an order to actually make his intended kill.

Would that not mean if someone in a terrorist cell was given an order by the one leading it to go out and kill as many innocent people as possible, he'd be a sniper?
technically yes, IMO. just because the person is on the other team, doesn't make his orders any different than the ones our soldiers get. he just playing for the opposing team!
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The word "Sniper" was coined around 1770. It was a British word for a shooter who could hit the elusive Snipe. During the Battle Of Freemans Farm on July 7th of 1777 American rifleman hid and shot "Redcoats". American Tim Murphy killed an English officer at 400 yards. The term "Sniper" was the same as the Civil War term Sharp Shooters. It is now used more often as negative description of the felonious use of a firearm.
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Here's another: Ammo will cook off in a fire.
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You're right. It would take an entire thread... This one!
There isn't enough bandwidth on this forum to list all the ridiculous gun myths.
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