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Old 02-23-2010, 05:34 PM   #21
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This one may be useful to know as well: TEOTWAWKI= The end of the world as we know it.
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That already happened in the last presidential election.

Unfortunately you are correct.
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I was here in LA during the Rodney King riots as well as in the epicenter of the Northridge Quake. Two very different SHTF situations.

During the riots the police barricaded themselves in their police stations and waited for the National Guard. It was several days of sitting with the shotgun watching the front of the house. But there were no food or water issues. And thankfully it never reached my neighborhood.

After the earthquake, surprisingly, all the neighbors came together. Even ones I had never met. They helped bandage me up till I could get stitches as I was cut up pretty bad. That night the folks next door brought me a plate of hot food. And the house of stoners across the street were the guys helping shut down gas lines, helped my neighbor put out a small fire, and shared knowledge of water treatment with bleach. Everyone worked together and helped each other for the several days until the National Guard showed up.
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Thanks for the real world account Jo.

In your opinion, which if the two times did it feel as if you were more isloated and "on your own"? The Riots?

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As everyone else stated, it is different to what is going on around you.
When I see SHTF I think of a zombieland type of scenereo, a breakdown of structure and law, open season free for all, that type of stuff.
No matter how it plays out, my primary plan is defense because I am very rural. My objective is to simply keep non locals at a safe distance and to defend what is ours.
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I had been in 2 SHTF scenarios, both "coup d'etat" in 1992 and 2001....
We were happy because not living in Caracas (the capital ...what a **** hole is that city), however, during the transition of both coup d'etats the government got the constitutional rights suspended, was total anarchy... Since we are city people, we don't have a place to bug out, we learn that the most important thing to be prepared is having ENOUGH food and how to prepare it... There's curfew so we can't go out, we cant buy food, in some areas the power and gas lines were shut down...
Lots of looting but just in commercial areas, people fighting for food... We stayed at home, some neighbors came to offer help (one even offer us a .38 revolver), others came looking for help (my father is MD and we have plenty of medicines) but is very important know your neighbors and teamwork, specially if you are staying home.
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In your opinion, which if the two times did it feel as if you were more isloated and "on your own"? The Riots?

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For me the riots were the scariest due to the possible violence from others. I watched the Reginald Denny beating on TV and was physically sickened by the random hatred. I was a lot younger and much more naive about life.

The earthquake was a lesson in how powerless we are at times. But the after math was not that bad. My house had only minor damage. Power was back in a few days, and I had a Jacuzzi full of drinkable water. Thank goodness I don't pee in the pool.
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I read thousands of posts of people looking for the famed "SHTF" gun, but in most cases I get the feeling these people use "SHTF" and self defense/home defense interchangeably. They say they want a SHTF gun, but then they describe their purpose and it looks to me like they actually want a home defense gun.

The following are my definitions that I have acquired over my years of shooting and being in LE.

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means total anarchy. Full blown Zombie alert and the "Y" virus has taken over. Martial law has been instated and the criminal element has over taken law enforcement. You now have to worry about being robbed anywhere you go and there is a good chance you are at war and must defend yourself/family around every corner. This is when you grab your SHTF weapon, the military carry an M4, cops carry AR's and me I'll probably grab my AR.

Home defense means just that. You are at home and some POS gets inside and you need to defend your family. This is not like SHTF where you can prepare to a certain point. You can't load extra mags, turn on a red dot sight, etc. This is grab and go, right now. Most people have a "night stand gun" for this. Me I have my 590 with a surefire forend loaded with 00.

Self defense is slightly different. This is when you go out in your everyday life and need to have something to protect yourself/family with if you are confronted with a threat. Most of the time this is a handgun concealed carry. This is a dark alley walking to your car and some dirtbag decides he wants your wallet and is going to hurt you to get it. Cops carry sidearms, me I carry an XD40 SC, a G22 or my new 1911 dependent on the situation.

What do these terms mean to you? Are they really interchangeable? To me you can own a multipurpose gun for all the situations above, but all the situations above are not the same. In the grand scheme of things does it really matter? No. Does someone who wants a SHTF but needs a home defense going to get any different advice? No, but I just want to know what you guys think.
SHTF to me means 3 days after a massive hurricane where all the tunnels have failed and we're completely isolated. Major destruction of infrastructure, roads clogged with debris, only the sturdiest homes left inhabitable, and people walking around looking for opportunities to capitalize on the havoc. Troupes have formed up and decided on their plans for making it through regardless of the lives they might take while scavenging/looting. A total breakdown of social conscience abetted by the absence of law enforcement personnel which results in hoards of hoodlums roaming the streets doing whatever they feel like doing. Haiti today is a prime example, regardless of the "feel-good" stories we are fed.
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This one may be useful to know as well: TEOTWAWKI= The end of the world as we know it.

....and I feel fine..............
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I'm with you Acid Flash, I feel better than James Brown, I feel good.

How do you feel?
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