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unclebear 12-02-2011 11:57 AM

wha?
 
is there really anything wrong with have a beer and shooting? I'm not talking about being drunk but have one or two beers and doing some shooting, when I was younger when and I would go shooting with my uncles and them there was usually someone with a beer in there hand.

Don't get me wrong I'm against impaired shooting.

but is there anything really wrong with having a beer and shooting?

dmp 12-02-2011 12:19 PM

No. Unless 'a beer' get's you shat-faced. :)

fireguy 12-02-2011 01:31 PM

The only thing wrong with drinking alcohol and using firearms is if it goes past the point of "a drink, or a beer". Anti gunners may even use an observance of the two activities together to attempt to further their cause. To someone not in your group, or someone who does not know you sees a bottle of Jack sitting on the shooting bench it can give a very negative impression of all firearm enthusiasts.

Personally, I have only enjoyed adult beverages after hunting or shooting as opposed to while pulling the trigger.
Gatorade, tea, or water are usually my choice to wet my whistle when I am out with the guns.

We as a group of sportsmen are constantly being scrutinized and must put the best face on display that we can. If shooting in a private place it becomes easier. Reaching into a cooler for a cold one in sight of a passerby while holding a gun wearing a shell vest and getting seen by some suburban soccer mom probably doesn't leave a good impression.

opaww 12-02-2011 01:38 PM

what fireguy said, and don't forget the big falp over guns and alochol with Dick Chanie when he drank a beer and shot a lawyer.

dks7895 12-02-2011 01:54 PM

This is kind of a loaded question... no pun intended. It's like asking if it's ok to drive a car while drinking a beer. It all depends on the person and knowing your limitations. Firearms should always be respected and operated safely.

AZL 12-02-2011 02:15 PM

Just absolutely everything.

Really? You are asking this question?

One beer DOES equal SOME level of impairment. Number one, it shows immediate impairment in JUDGEMENT.

In EVERY jurisdiction I know of consumption of alcohol while in possession of a firearm is illegal...and not just a civil infraction.

Then, if you take it a small step further....IF there is a negligent discharge amd someone is hurt or property is damaged...and you have consumed even a thimble full of alcohol...you are completely screwed. It could (and in my opinion SHOULD) be raised to the level of a felony.

It can easily be proven that you were in possession of a power which you didn't have the ability to control, and therefore were negligent and CRIMINALLY liable for it's misuse.

Again.....SCREWED.

How hard is it to load the cooler with water, juice, and soft drinks while shooting and saving the beer for AFTERWARD when the guns and ammo are all safely locked up?

Talk about redneck and hillbilly dumb****ness...."Heeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyy Bubba...I got the shotguns....y'all grab the beer! Yeeeeeehhhhaaaaaawwwwwwwwww!" I come from a LONG line of rednecks and my Pap would have beat us black and blue if we ever broke open a 12-pack while we were shooting.

Wait...how about if we ask THIS question: "Is it okay to smoke a bowl and go shooting?"

OR......"Hey...let's do a line of coke, and go shooting. One line won't hurt."

YOU may be the very pillar of restraint and grooviness when you'va had a beer or two....but what about your dip**** friend who shows his ass EVERY TIME he drinks? You know you have THAT friend. What happens when HE gets one or two in him and tries some "trick shootin'"?

Really?

Do you drive after consuming "one or two beers?"

Every douchebag I ever arrested for DUI only EVER had "One or two beers".

Every douchebag I ever arrested for vehicular manslaughter only ever had "One or two beers".

A four year old kid I had to watch get put onto a gurney, then into a BODY BAG, had a daddy who ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO BEERS before he brought out his Taurus Pt92 to show off at the BBQ. That was a minute or two before he put a bullet through the brain of his kid.

It is exactly the OPPOSITE of okay to shoot while drinking...PERIOD.

Why don't you ask Mas Ayoob, Clint Smith, Rob Pincus, Marty Hayes...or ANY cop or armed professional if it's okay to have "one or two beers" and train with them.

unclebear 12-02-2011 02:52 PM

well to be honest i just thought i would throw this out there I saw another thread about what "what gun do you carry while camping" and we always have beer when we go camping and we always take guns. Then i started looking through some old photo albums and every picture of my gramps or my uncle they either have a beer or a gun in there hands or both. So I just thought I would throw it out there and ask...

lonewolf101 12-02-2011 02:53 PM

Thoes two things DONT GO TOGETHER!

trip286 12-02-2011 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZL
Just absolutely everything.

Really? You are asking this question?

One beer DOES equal SOME level of impairment. Number one, it shows immediate impairment in JUDGEMENT.

In EVERY jurisdiction I know of consumption of alcohol while in possession of a firearm is illegal...and not just a civil infraction.

Then, if you take it a small step further....IF there is a negligent discharge amd someone is hurt or property is damaged...and you have consumed even a thimble full of alcohol...you are completely screwed. It could (and in my opinion SHOULD) be raised to the level of a felony.

It can easily be proven that you were in possession of a power which you didn't have the ability to control, and therefore were negligent and CRIMINALLY liable for it's misuse.

Again.....SCREWED.

How hard is it to load the cooler with water, juice, and soft drinks while shooting and saving the beer for AFTERWARD when the guns and ammo are all safely locked up?

Talk about redneck and hillbilly dumb****ness...."Heeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyy Bubba...I got the shotguns....y'all grab the beer! Yeeeeeehhhhaaaaaawwwwwwwwww!" I come from a LONG line of rednecks and my Pap would have beat us black and blue if we ever broke open a 12-pack while we were shooting.

Wait...how about if we ask THIS question: "Is it okay to smoke a bowl and go shooting?"

OR......"Hey...let's do a line of coke, and go shooting. One line won't hurt."

YOU may be the very pillar of restraint and grooviness when you'va had a beer or two....but what about your dip**** friend who shows his ass EVERY TIME he drinks? You know you have THAT friend. What happens when HE gets one or two in him and tries some "trick shootin'"?

Really?

Do you drive after consuming "one or two beers?"

Every douchebag I ever arrested for DUI only EVER had "One or two beers".

Every douchebag I ever arrested for vehicular manslaughter only ever had "One or two beers".

A four year old kid I had to watch get put onto a gurney, then into a BODY BAG, had a daddy who ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO BEERS before he brought out his Taurus Pt92 to show off at the BBQ. That was a minute or two before he put a bullet through the brain of his kid.

It is exactly the OPPOSITE of okay to shoot while drinking...PERIOD.

Why don't you ask Mas Ayoob, Clint Smith, Rob Pincus, Marty Hayes...or ANY cop or armed professional if it's okay to have "one or two beers" and train with them.

Legit question. No need to go all ape **** on the guy, and to imply that he's a redneck hillbilly dumbass is a bit much. He's been around here for a bit and is a pretty well respected young member of our group, shows pretty good judgment in how he conducts himself, and to go off like that over a rhetorical question is not okay.

FWIW, I don't drink before or while shooting either, and wouldn't be caught on a range with anyone else who has or is drinking. As you stated, but as has also been proven by medical research, a single alcoholic drink can impair a person's judgment. I've seen too many injuries by sober people, no need to increase the chances.

AZL 12-02-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 641776)
Legit question. No need to go all ape **** on the guy, and to imply that he's a redneck hillbilly dumbass is a bit much. He's been around here for a bit and is a pretty well respected young member of our group, shows pretty good judgment in how he conducts himself, and to go off like that over a rhetorical question is not okay.

FWIW, I don't drink before or while shooting either, and wouldn't be caught on a range with anyone else who has or is drinking. As you stated, but as has also been proven by medical research, a single alcoholic drink can impair a person's judgment. I've seen too many injuries by sober people, no need to increase the chances.

I didn't call HIM anything. I "likened the bahavior" which is a different thing all together WHILE claiming a LONG redneck heritage of my own.

It IS an issue of which I am pretty sensitive...especially after watching a 4 year old with only PART OF A HEAD left get put into a bag because someone had to drink and play with their gun.

Personally, I don't give a damn if the POPE wants to open some wine and play with his Beretta...I will LIKEN THAT BEHAVIOR to that of a dumbass hillbilly redneck.


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