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Old 01-10-2013, 02:01 PM   #81
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I can only speak for me. Any company I find to be anti freedom, anti second ammendment, or which does not support my personal right to bear arms, protect myself, and my family, immediately looses my business. I will not shop at dicks sporting at all anymore, etc and so forth.
Same here.
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I cannot figure it out- was the above supposed to be spell or smell?

Tiffany- if you are still following this outpouring of posts- yes, the folks here DID put on their "company" manners to respond to you. This forum is much like a large family of brothers and sisters spread out across the US- and several other countries as well. When it just us, we sometimes get a bit goofy. No, make that REAL goofy.

When you are not writing, feel free to drop in and sit a spell. We have several members that are ladies, and several from Texas. Glad to have another.

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That is a most excellent example, actually. May I respectfully request attribution either anonymously or directly? Either in this article or my next piece on how gun control is "sexist", i.e. women are the most violated demographic in the history of the world, yet most of them support disarmament though the firearm is the only equalizer between themselves and a larger, stronger aggressor. I carry concealed and this is why, yet so many women do not support my right to self-defense, which is baffling.

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Yes, discimination against gun owners is so outright as to be batant- along with demonization of anything or anyone associated with firearms. Review the editorial cartoons bashing the NRA in the past 2 weeks- no connection shown between the CT school shooting and the NRA- but bash away they will.

Do you think there is anything the gun culture or gun advocacy community can do to create a bridge not between themselves and "banners", but between the fence-sitters?
A lot of people in general (including many women) just have not had experience with or education about firearms. I say this as a woman myself. I did not grow up with guns in the house. My parents have always been supportive of the Constitution but did not have any experience with firearms. Five years ago, I would have thought the words "semi-automatic" and the accompanying stock photograph in the media seemed daunting. I did not know how to check a gun to see if it was unloaded, how to hold it safely, or how it worked (let alone anything about different types). It wasn't intentional; I just had no experience and little exposure.

Today I am a gun owner. I got started by taking a class, by reading about guns, going to the range, and joining this forum. I have noticed that a lot of my male coworkers and friends grew up shooting or hunting with their fathers, grandfathers, and brothers while just a few of my female friends and coworkers have some experience with guns. This has changed some since I have talked about going to the range. Several of these women have become interested since I took up target shooting so our number is slowing growing.

My observation: it is harder to be as supportive for something about which you have little knowledge, no experience, and see as something that only "others" do. Misinformation by the media only muddles things more. When people understand the safety rules and operation of firearms, see the responsibility that fellow gun owners demonstrate, learn about the significance of guns in history, and can identify with a trusted friend/family member/coworker who happens to be a gun owner, they can gain a new perspective.

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Arguing that the second amendment only applied to muskets is like arguing that voting and freedom only apply to white males.

Make a constitutional amendment, don't bypass the rule of law with executive orders and federal agencies.
I agree. I have heard people say that the Founding Fathers did not know how gun technology would change. Might I also point out that 'freedom of the press' was established in days of printing presses and paper. Our forefathers didn't know that radio, television, and internet would change the way news is reported and ideas are exchanged. Does that make the right less applicable? Of course not.
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Well I do know that George Washingtons best friend was bayonetted 17 times and took 3 agonizing days to die.
So tell me why bayonets were banned under the AWB, when our founders did not ban them?

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Tiffany, thank you for choosing to report honestly with factual information. Other than me personally not supporting businesses that do not support freedom, I have nothing to add.

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I cannot figure it out- was the above supposed to be spell or smell?

Tiffany- if you are still following this outpouring of posts- yes, the folks here DID put on their "company" manners to respond to you. This forum is much like a large family of brothers and sisters spread out across the US- and several other countries as well. When it just us, we sometimes get a bit goofy. No, make that REAL goofy.

When you are not writing, feel free to drop in and sit a spell. We have several members that are ladies, and several from Texas. Glad to have another.

Best regards- C3
The family that everyone in the neighborhood hates but can't find a reason as to why- that is the gun community in a nutshell
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The family that everyone in the neighborhood hates but can't find a reason as to why- that is the gun community in a nutshell
The hatred for American Gun owners, felt by many and unexplainable...even to them...is based in there envy of our culture and the fearless manner with which we carry ourselves.

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Greetings – my name is Tiffany Madison and I’m an independent journalist with Washington Times Digital Media. My column is titled Citizen Warrior and I cover civil liberties and veteran’s issues. Gun control is a hot topic as legislators attempt to introduce a wide array of measures to restrict the Second Amendment. A recent list of businesses that do not support the Second Amendment has emerged.
Well it would seem as if I am late to the party ... again ... but hey, that's just how I roll So first let me say welcome to FTF and thank you for your reporting Second, as to your questions,

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As gun owners and firearm advocates, are you increasingly taking your business to establishments that support your concealed carry or right to carry on premises?
Yes. As I have gotten older and begun to see things more clearly I have taken the position of supporting local business's as much as I can. Since getting back into shooting I have taken up a similar philosophy ... support those that support me.

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Or, are your attitudes remaining the same as they always have in regards to choosing establishments that allow you to carry?
I refrain from going into any establishment that is marked "gun free zone". Since 9/11 and the implementation of the TSA I have flown twice ... a round trip to NY and a round trip to Phoenix. During the Phoenix trip I was pulled aside at JFK airport into a private room for an enhanced security check ... I'm a 6'-2" white male ... the TSA were all foreign nations of Pakistani origin. I'll never willingly fly again

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If trends continue, would you consider boycotting establishments that advocate for gun control politically or voice their “gun free zone” status as a business or organization publicly in support of gun control?
I'll do more than boycott ... I'll help organize boycotts ... I'll help run information campaigns ... I'll stand up for myself and my rights as well as for those that can't

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Do you feel that a new form of discrimination is emerging against lawful gun-owners?
not new ... branding and lists have been going on since discrimination was first practiced ... case in point, the Journal New's article labeling law abiding legally licensed gun owners as a danger in peoples neighborhoods
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Well tiffany Madison welcome to FTF and thank you for allowing us to have our voices heard.

To answer your questions , YES. I have already begun boycotting businesses that do not support the citizens right to defend themselves by removing certain arms or outright refusing to sell arms or ammo period. My right to defend myself and those I love < even the anti gun liberals if they ask me nicely while they are being acosted if no LEO s are around > is predicated on those inalienable rights bestowed upon myself and every other citizen of the united states by the constitution of the united states , which despite popular belief in washington is still the law of the land .

Although the tragedies of senseless gun violence our nation suffered from in 2011 were indeed tragic . Most if not all of the perpetrators were not allowed to posess or purchase firearms due to their mental incapacity to safely and responsibly operate and / or posess the weapons used in these tragedies.

So this set of circumstances seeks to demonstrate the relatively moot point of MORE gun control as well as a perpencity to overlook the real problem in this country which in my humble opinion is the lack of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY as well as totally discount dangerous spyciatric medications most or all of the suspects were on at the time of these shootings. Millions of firearm owners around the country who injured or killed NO ONE are not only also being blamed for perpetuating these sorts or tragedies. They are also being outted and treated like SEX OFFENDERS by having their names , addresses and a interactive map of their residence published by certain mainstream media outlets across the country .

So yes ma'am. I will keep my shopping at locations who capitulate to the fear porn perpetrated by media outlets and politicians who have a SPECIFIC agenda of disarming this nation to the bare neccessities. Take Eric Holder for instance who in 1995 supported using hollywood , the media and government officials to " brainwash the american people into thinking guns are bad " . Yet this man was elbow deep in the fast and furious scandal which transfered thousands of REAL select fire full auto assault rifles into the hands of the juarez drug cartel as well as other illegal drug cartels he walked away unscathed. Call him the teflon AG.

Thank you again for asking for our opinions and I hope any information derived from this forum is used in a responsible manner and not spun to make us look like alex jones .

Good day to you ma'am.

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The hatred for American Gun owners, felt by many and unexplainable...even to them...is based in there envy of our culture and the fearless manner with which we carry ourselves.

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They are envious because we have a great culture!
Look at how great it is
It is:
Diverse
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And it is like a brotherhood in a sense, no other culture is like this.
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