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Old 01-13-2013, 03:56 AM   #91
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I do not support anti-rights businesses and make it my mission to let as many people as possible know WHY they also should not support these people/places.

Tack hit the nail on the head as usual. I also believe a MAJOR factor involving violence in this country is the War on Drugs. We have mandatory sentencing for users of marijuana, but a rapist is back on the street in a couple of years.
First, if our prisons weren't filled with these non violent drug users we would have plenty of room to hold and KEEP the violent criminals. If it was up to me, commit a forcible felony (robbery, rape, agg assault, murder, kidnapping) and you get life in prison.
Second, the illegal trade of drugs breeds violence just like Prohibition did.
And third, look at how much money we waste on this "war" when it could be used for violence prevention, education and law enforcement.

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I respect the right of the business owner to make his property a gun free zone if that is their desire. I also support the states rights under the Tenth Amendment. In the case of my local bank becoming a gun free zone I chose not to boycott them. It would create a financial hardship to change all my accounts and investments to another bank. I do refuse to go inside the bank, but the drive through window allows me to do my business and exercise my carry rights.

As far as other businesses are concerned, I will boycott them if there is another viable alternative readily available. Let me give you an example. As much as I hate Walmart, if our local Target went gun free I would take my business to Walmart. If Target and Walmart both went gun free I would not drive the 50 miles required to get to a comparable store. I would probably go back to Target. I really hate Walmart.

If you don't mind, I would like to ask you a question. In an earlier response you stated:

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Other than your proposed article, do you see any other way to support the rights of the gun owner while still giving the business owner the liberty to make decisions affecting his business? I would bet that this thread is not your first attempt to gather opinions for this story. Have you run across anything that would help us get along with the business owner that decides to restrict our right to legally carry?
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I have never been to a Target that sold guns, accessories or ammo. I travel all across the south.

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I have never been to a Target that sold guns, accessories or ammo. I travel all across the south.
I haven't either. The way I read the OP it wasn't specific to gun related purchases. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I thought it was about any business that wasn't carry friendly.
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I haven't either. The way I read the OP it wasn't specific to gun related purchases. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I thought it was about any business that wasn't carry friendly.
I don't know about the rest of you, but if a store never sold guns I'm fine with that, like target (did they ever sell guns? I thought they just never did).

But when a store caves to political pressure from whiny socialists like Moore,(K Mart) then they lose my business. (buh bye Dicks).

Or if a store comes out and openly advocates for, endorses or otherwise condones restricting gun rights...
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Apparently, the focus on the new fight against gun rights is on suicide deaths by firearms. Watching a live stream on Bloomberg's anti-gun violence summit. Some data nerd is rambling on and on about how this could be prevented by limiting guns in the home. Yes, legally purchased guns.

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Ironic, that a group of people who support euthanasia, are for disarmament to prevent suicides.
While suicides are tragic... they're always touted as depression based in the media.

I wonder if there's any data (doubt it) about gun suicides from people with terminal illnesses.

Secondly, Sorry to sound cold, but I do not think my right to own anything should be limited because of what people choose to do to themselves with their property.

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Ironic, that a group of people who support euthanasia, are for disarmament to prevent suicides.
While suicides are tragic... they're always touted as depression based in the media.

I wonder if there's any data (doubt it) about gun suicides from people with terminal illnesses.

Secondly, Sorry to sound cold, but I do not think my right to own anything should be limited because of what people choose to do to themselves with their property.
Your response was probably better worded than mine. I agree with those statements 100%. Its simply not our fault. Here's an idea...how about family and friends paying just a BIT more attention to their kids and family members once they show signs of mental illness or depression. Nope, we are alll too busy these days and only when it's too late do people take action....against the guns.
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We all know that someone that is intent on killing themself is going to find a way to do it. A gun is just convenient but so is a rope. Are they going to ban rope too? How about carbon monoxide? Ban cars in garages next. It's a mental issue just like the shootings were.

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As far as the suicide thing goes, we need look no further than Japan...

Japan-Civilian ownership of firearms forbidden...

Japan-TWICE the suicide rate of the US...RARELY involving a firearm...

Or maybe, the people that want to give up the ghost aren't stupid and realize that sucess rate with suicide by firearm is roughly at 90%. The next most sucessful means is jumping from a tall structure/bridge which has a success rate of 55%...

For those who say 'it wouldn't have happened if a gun werent' present', they need to have their heads examined...

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