[Overkill0084]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19419913&title=homeowner-fatally-shoots-intruder&s_cid=featured-1

SPRINGVILLE — A homeowner fatally shot a would-be robber who broke into his house in Springville early Thursday morning. The intruder apparently stopped for a snack in the kitchen before going upstairs to threaten the home's residents.

Springville police responded to a call of a home invasion robbery at 2:48 a.m. in the area of 800 South and 475 East. When officers arrived they found the suspect had been fatally shot.

The quote that jumps out at me:

It's unclear if the residents actually saw the man's gun.

It's a home invasion/ attempted robbery. As I understand things, simply implying that you have a gun is enough. For instance: the finger in the pocket gimmick. Oh well, game over for one more douchebag.

[Mason609]

Originally Posted by Overkill0084

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19419913&title=homeowner-fatally-shoots-intruder&s_cid=featured-1



The quote that jumps out at me:



It's a home invasion/ attempted robbery. As I understand things, simply implying that you have a gun is enough. For instance: the finger in the pocket gimmick. Oh well, game over for one more douchebag.

Apparently this douche tried 20 other homes and cars before settling on that home. To me, that says premeditation. But, then again, I'm not a LEO nor am I a Lawyer.

Plus, aren't there some states that will charge you for armed robbery even if it's only a toy gun?

[c3shooter]

Laws vary GREATLY state-to-state. In general, the difference between theft (unlawful taking) and robbery (unlawful taking by force or threat of violence) is that the victim of a robbery is in fear of harm.

In Virginia, what happened in Utah would be burglary of a dwelling in the nightime- a class 3 felony. Do it with a deadly weapon, class 2 felony. Breaking and entering (burglary) is a separate crime from simple theft or robbery.

However, I would not expect anyone that finds a stranger in their house in the wee hours of the morning to be a legal scholar- I would consider their presence to be a threat to the well being of self and family.

[Soliferrum]

oh well, when is the court date for the home owner? dosent matter, you think he'll get 5 or 10 for manslaughter?

[theropinfool]

Originally Posted by Soliferrum

oh well, when is the court date for the home owner? dosent matter, you think he'll get 5 or 10 for manslaughter?

No way. Utah man! You break in here we'll kill ya. Ain't so sh!t about it!

[Soliferrum]

Originally Posted by theropinfool

No way. Utah man! You break in here we'll kill ya. Ain't so sh!t about it!

oohrah ropin, but i hear this alot, yet i continue to read such articles in the paper as "rulling in courts case of violent ex-marine who gunned down innocent cat burglar with anti-tank pistol."

[downsouth]

Originally Posted by Soliferrum

oh well, when is the court date for the home owner? dosent matter, you think he'll get 5 or 10 for manslaughter?

Even though Utah does't show being a castle doc state, I don't think this home owner will see the inside of a courtroom. Could be wrong.

[Mason609]

Originally Posted by downsouth

Even though Utah does't show being a castle doc state, I don't think this home owner will see the inside of a courtroom. Could be wrong.


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You can have Castle Laws, and not be a Castle Doctrine state. Mine is like that.

[Soliferrum]

as a side note: thank god all the states worth living in have good gun laws.

[Bear304inc]

Good for him, No telling what was going to happen after he drove theBG to the atm. Although a very regretable situation he did what was necessary to keep his family safe.