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Old 03-15-2014, 01:02 PM   #41
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start what basically amounts to a caliber thread on this site and watch what happens. every time.

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I'll remind you that this thread was opened on the very simple premise of a discussion that the commandant has expressed interest in the opinions of our Marines that they want a .45 caliber pistol rather than the 9MM, and you've turned it into a "tail wagging the dog" situation with your circle turning and attempts to turn it into a caliber war based on a single example of an extreme circumstance and lack of first hand experience.
A (one) marine said he wanted a 45 cal pistol. The Marine who was quoted was a general, one of the few marines that sees a pistol as a combat weapon.

The average grunt would be better served by a 9mm. Ammo is lighter and 9mm pistols have a higher capacity. If the Marine needs to carry a pistol at all.

This is my personal experience, I can make 50 yard plus shots a lot easier with a 9mm than a 45 acp. In combat you need more range from a pistol. The average military encounter is a lot further than 7 yards.
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A (one) marine said he wanted a 45 cal pistol. The Marine who was quoted was a general, one of the few marines that sees a pistol as a combat weapon.

The average grunt would be better served by a 9mm. Ammo is lighter and 9mm pistols have a higher capacity. If the Marine needs to carry a pistol at all.

This is my personal experience, I can make 50 yard plus shots a lot easier with a 9mm than a 45 acp. In combat you need more range from a pistol. The average military encounter is a lot further than 7 yards.
1) Your doing exactly what the OP said not to do. No caliber wars.

2) As trip said, it's not just one Marine who want's a .45 ACP. A LOT of soldiers want it.
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A (one) marine said he wanted a 45 cal pistol. The Marine who was quoted was a general, one of the few marines that sees a pistol as a combat weapon.

The average grunt would be better served by a 9mm. Ammo is lighter and 9mm pistols have a higher capacity. If the Marine needs to carry a pistol at all.

This is my personal experience, I can make 50 yard plus shots a lot easier with a 9mm than a 45 acp. In combat you need more range from a pistol. The average military encounter is a lot further than 7 yards.
Not one... the discussion came up between the general and the congressman because the congressman had been talking to some of his Marine constituents and actually listening to them. It's the reason it was brought up to the general in the first place.

Capacity arguments and weight are completely and totally invalid, considering the options available in polymer frame pistols and the minimal quantity of pistol ammo that's carried to begin with, which was 30 rounds when I was in. I don't see the difference in weight between 30 rounds of 9mm, and 30 rounds of .45, breaking anyone's back because of the extra load out. Hell, I carry 7 in my gun, and 23 in my back left pocket when I'm tromping around in the woods and don't even have to tighten my belt to help hold my pants up.

Pistol qualification in the Marine Corps goes out to 20 yards when I qualified expert. They designed their qualification distances based on reasonably expectable ranges based on known factors, meaning, what experience has told them they should practice at.
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Pistol qualification in the Marine Corps goes out to 20 yards when I qualified expert. They designed their qualification distances based on reasonably expectable ranges based on known factors, meaning, what experience has told them they should practice at.
Yes, I believe Marines shoot from 7, 15, and 20 yards on the pistol range, correct?
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Yes, I believe Marines shoot from 7, 15, and 20 yards on the pistol range, correct?
That's what I shot from.

And of important note, the QC of the ammo they use SUCKS. It was common during my qualification course for the bullets to punch through the currugated plastic target backings and fall to the dirt on the other side.
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Guys, what are the actual chances of a Marine having to shoot an enemy combatant past 25-30 yards with their handgun? It seems like the chances of ever having to use your handgun would be low, let alone having to use it at longer distances like that. Isn't it mostly a defense weapon as opposed to an offense weapon?

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That's what I shot from.

And of important note, the QC of the ammo they use SUCKS. It was common during my qualification course for the bullets to punch through the currugated plastic target backings and fall to the dirt on the other side.
Who the heck made that ammo? Even the cheap steel Russian ammo works better than that.
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Guys, what are the actual chances of a Marine having to shoot an enemy combatant past 25-30 yards with their handgun? It seems like the chances of ever having to use your handgun would be low, let alone having to use it at longer distances like that. Isn't it mostly a defense weapon as opposed to an offense weapon?
It's rare to have to use it at all. And yes, it's a defensive weapon, that's how they're able to issue them to noncombatants such as corpsmen and chaplain assistants.
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