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Old 03-14-2014, 10:23 PM   #21
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Personally, I would rather see them with a XD45 with the manual safety than with a 1911, but I do think the .45acp would be more comforting than the 9mm were I out of ammo for my rifle and in a tough spot. Luckily, I don't have to worry about such "tough spots"; there are Marines to handle them on my behalf.

I do wonder if Marines have ever had to use captured enemy ammunition; it would seem like they would be more interested in capturing rifle ammo than sidearm ammo though.
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If it's the 1st you've heard of it, it just shows how much time you've spent in the service in the US MILITARY.

This is a debate that's been raging since the Beretta M9 was adopted. Having served myself, and in the infantry-NOT counting beans somewhere, I don't personally know of any of my friends from the service who DON'T want a bigger caliber. Not necessarily a 1911 in .45, many of them expressed an interest in a polymer frame .45 or .40, because quite a few of these have the same 15 round capacity as the M9, thereby not giving up any capacity. Contrary to what you think, Americans, and American service men and women, aren't idiots.
I second this. I was just talking to my wife about how I wish we would adopt a full size service pistol in .45 ACP. Maybe if the military could afford it, one of the FN line? I believe they are the highest standard capacity .45s out there.
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I do wonder if Marines have ever had to use captured enemy ammunition; it would seem like they would be more interested in capturing rifle ammo than sidearm ammo though.
Of course that's happened in the past, along with captured weapons. Not so much now.

Look at it this way... If the USMC went to war against, say... Mississippi. It'd be hard to use all that .30-30, .30-06, 7.62X39, .243, .270, .35 Whelan that the country boys will more likely be using.

The theory behind ammo commonality within NATO is that we could get a resupply from a friendly country's stock if need be.

Oh... Mosins, firing the 7.62X54r were still in common use in Afghanistan last time I was there ten years ago. Against our guys. Think it's cool to hear that joker go BOOM when you're the one shooting it? Not so much to hear that angry bastard spitzer go buzzing by your position.

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I second this. I was just talking to my wife about how I wish we would adopt a full size service pistol in .45 ACP. Maybe if the military could afford it, one of the FN line? I believe they are the highest standard capacity .45s out there.
I thought one of the Xd models held 19? I may be thinking of the XdM in 9mm though.
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Luckily, I don't have to worry about such "tough spots"; there are Marines to handle them on my behalf.
Even I, an active duty Marine, am also thankful for those guys.

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I thought one of the Xd models held 19? I may be thinking of the XdM in 9mm though.

I've been wrong before. Then again, so have you. Looks like we're at an impasse. Until one of us stops being lazy and looks it up.
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This was from a while back, the Marines already ordered 1911's

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/?intcmp=trending
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Right but the article says we only ordered 12,000. That's not enough to be standard issue.

Trip, how many Grunts are there in the Corps? 50k? More? How about military police?

My point is 12k is probably only enough to replace the 1911s we still have on hand. Unless its only the beginning of a much larger order, its not even close to enough for standard issue.
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Even I, an active duty Marine, am also thankful for those guys.




I've been wrong before. Then again, so have you. Looks like we're at an impasse. Until one of us stops being lazy and looks it up.
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Right but the article says we only ordered 12,000. That's not enough to be standard issue.

Trip, how many Grunts are there in the Corps? 50k? More? How about military police?

My point is 12k is probably only enough to replace the 1911s we still have on hand. Unless its only the beginning of a much larger order, its not even close to enough for standard issue.
Right, those were for MARSOC, it's stated in the article. Many other articles came out when this happened, and the gist of it is, MARSOC never gave up the 1911. These new ones are basically to replace the ones that they've had for years that have been repaired, and repaired, and repaired again, that are simply coming to the point of being unusable. Think about it... they haven't replaced those 1911's in MARSOC service since Beretta got the contract for the main sidearm in... 1985?** That's a long time for any single pistol to continue to be in active service.

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Right, those were for MARSOC, it's stated in the article. Many other articles came out when this happened, and the gist of it is, MARSOC never gave up the 1911. These new ones are basically to replace the ones that they've had for years that have been repaired, and repaired, and repaired again, that are simply coming to the point of being unusable. Think about it... they haven't replaced those 1911's in MARSOC service since Beretta got the contract for the main sidearm in... 1986? That's a long time for any single pistol to continue to be in active service.
Well I use genitron.com. Really not sure how reliable it is but it says FN is 15+1 whereas the XD service is 13+1. Two round difference? Meh.


Also that's exactly what I figured. That the new Colts are for MARSOC. Thanks.
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Why are they not pushing for a change back to 7.62, as the rifle is the main weapon for the infantry. ? No One is going to argue that the 5.56 is more effective than the 7.62 mm. But its handguns the post is about.
Bean counters. Rifles are more expensive to replace. And there's more of them. And things line magazines. We get issued at least 6-8 mags If we're not deploying. Its many more than that for deployments. IF we even get a pistol its usually only 2-3 mags.

Multiply all that times the number of who get issued them.... its a crap load of money.

So it all comes down to bean counters.
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