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Old 12-26-2008, 10:58 PM   #11
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I think this article is worth a read by anyone interested in the American healthcare system

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2007-winter/moral-vs-universal-health-care.asp
Interesting article. I don't have time to read the entire thing atm, but I'm definitely bookmarking it to print out and read later. Thanks for posting.

TOS looks like an interesting journal. Never heard of it before, but I might have to look into it a little more
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:23 PM   #12
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If you go back and re-read my post, you'll see that I never said universal health care was necessarily superior to free-market. Believe me, I've heard all of the military-hospital horror stories.

My point is that as long as one of the fastest-growing segments of the US population (ie, illegal aliens) continue to receive free health care at the expense of everyone else, it's not going to matter WHAT kind system we have: it will eventually deteriorate regardless. In fact, it already is deteriorating, in my view.
you cant blame everything on the "hispanics" yes they do suck it up but so do all of the white and black baby factories that dont work because they have welfare and medicaid and their drug dealing gang banger boyfriends that would rather rob someone than get a job and pay back into what they and alot of their families have raped out of this great country. every one wants to blame the mexicans for everything, "they took our jobs", you know why they took our jobs? because lazy americans dont want the job because its too hot or because their too good for the job. sorry just had to vent there.
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"they took our jobs", you know why they took our jobs? because lazy americans dont want the job because its too hot or because their too good for the job.
I would say that is going a bit too far. They (illegal immigrants) took our jobs because greedy business owners can get illegals to do a job for $1.25 per hour instead of having to pay a legal worker minimum wage. Also, they (employers) would get out of paying for any benefits of any kind, vacation days, sick days, 401k plans, insurance, ect... Our jobs were given away by greed and most are actually being shipped out of the country to avoid having to hire any Americans at all!!!

I doubt than any body reading this is too lazy, thinks it's too hot, or feels that they are too good for any particular job. They are just unable to do it for less money than an illegal who is milking the system for benefits from OUR tax dollars to sustain themselves.

The bottom line is "the bottom line". Business owners do not care about race, creed, national origin, legal or illegal. They will exploit anyone who is willing to be exploited. Mexicans included. If they can get a job done for less money so their profit margin can increase then they will. Even if that means taking away jobs from American citizens. It's sad but very true.
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You people just don't get it do you.

We all caused the problem. Now we want to blame the problem on someone else.

Why do you think farmers are only willing to pay a $1.25 an hour because they don't make anything on what they are producing. Do you want to pay $45 for 5# of apples for $3.99? Because if white and black americans did that job they would have to have a union then they would only work 4 hours a day and get a 30 minute break every 10 minutes. Then we would have to provide them with all sorts of nonneeded crap.

We created the job market for people willing to work for low pay and no benfits. Now you and everyone else is pissed when Mexicans and others come to this county to fill the job positions we created.

I am just so sick of hearing they took out damn jobs.

Can you be mad at chevy for making cars and truck to fill the needs of americans? NO.

So STFU and stop whining about it or do something about it. Go buy a farm and grow a crop then go to the welfare shop and try to hire AMERICANS to do the LABOR. Now after you sit there for a few days with nothing go to the 7-11 and holler "Need cinco for the day" and see how many jump out and mob your truck. So unless your willing to pay high pricess for produce and many other things stop whining abut it.

How many live and have worked in an area that lives and dies on migrant workers?

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in regards to painted klown i didnt mean everyone but all those americans that have lived on benefits we work hard for to make sure they have free homes, food and medical. frankly im tired of it. most the people on welfare are just lazy americans that get more benefits than most hard working people. and i agree with you on the cheaper pay out for employing illegals.

and cpttango30, youve hit it on the head. farmers are some of the hardest working americans that i know. most dont even know what a 8 hr work day is or feels like, especially those that have farm markets aswell. i used to work for a farmer when i was a kid i guess you could say i was a beaner and im not ashamed of that for the slightest, working in the feild taught me alot about being a working man. that was some of the toughest work ive ever done besides when i worked in a steel foundry that was by far the hottest and hardest work ive done so far, and that was in the winter time

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in regards to painted klown i didnt mean everyone but all those americans that have lived on benefits we work hard for to make sure they have free homes, food and medical. frankly im tired of it. most the people on welfare are just lazy americans that get more benefits than most hard working people. and i agree with you on the cheaper pay out for employing illegals.
I agree 100% with all of this. I apologize as I read it as you were saying that we (Americans) were ALL too lazy, ect... to want to work. I have no sympathy for those who CHOOSE to not try to help themselves. To those who TRY to scratch out a living I am more than willing to lend an extra hand when times get tough....hard times fall on everybody every once in a while.
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We created the job market for people willing to work for low pay and no benfits. Now you and everyone else is pissed when Mexicans and others come to this county to fill the job positions we created.
Tango, I don't agree that the average American citizen is to blame. Like the saying goes, "Follow the money." Like nearly every else wrong with the current state of the Union, it can be traced back to the Federal government. Though the sheeple that continue to keep voting for Reps and Dems share some responsibility.
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