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Old 12-02-2010, 03:06 PM   #91
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Come on, man!! The other Washington. I wouldn't say something like that about you......I would come up with something WAY worse.
LOL - I know, but I just had to through it out there since my post was just above yours and we were at opposite ends of the discussion.
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LOL - That Bob guy is funny and hell and right.

Tango - I can see where you are coming from, but there has always been security at the airport. No one is forcing you to fly, that is your choice.

If you choose to drive, you are required to obey the rules of the road, or you will get pulled over and given a ticket by the police.

If you want to fly, you get your carry on stuff X-Ray'd and you have to walk through the metal detector.

If you set off the metal detector, or you refuse for some reason, then you may have to go through the scanner OR you can go with the pat down.

When we left Sea-Tac, they did not have the scanner up and running, but my woman set off the metal detector because of an underwire bra which we knew going in would be an issue and we wanted to see what all the hub-bub was about.

She was called off to the side, she was scanned with the wand and the underwire set off the wand. Then a female TSA person put on a brand new pair of gloves and patted her down outside of her clothes in the most professional manner, talking to her the whole time about what she was doing, asking if she was okay with this "touching" and repeatedly saying things like "If at any time you are uncomfortable, please let me know". She didn't grope, she didn't touch bare skin, she didn't stick her hands inside any clothing, she did a pat down. When she was done, she went over and tested for explosive/gunpowder residue with a Q-tip from a sealed tube on the gloves. The test was negative and the gloves were discarded. We then proceeded on our way with no issues.

No one was REQUIRED to go through the scanner at any of the airports that we visited in our travels. It is there as another measure to check for all the normal stuff they have been checking for since 9/11.

All this mass hysteria about being invasive and illegal touching and crap is people complaining without really taking into context what flying has been like in the last ten years. They have been doing all these same issues on International flights since 2000 ( when I first flew International ) and they have been doing them on in state flights since I came back to the States after 9/11.

We fly, on average, about twice a year and have done so for several years now. There was no new added fortress of oppressive government waiting to violate our rights this time around. It was the same old, same old.

Bottom line, if you don't want to play by the rules, then don't play the game. Right now the rules say scan your carry ons and check you for metal with the walk through device. If that goes beep, you have two options: X-ray or pat down.

Or you can take the bus or the train or drive.
+1 here, but i will add that Baltimore(BWI) didn't give an option. It was either you go through the scanner or get touchy feeled on.

I also see where the 4th Amendment places a role and that there does strike some issues for me as well. Other than that it is what it is!
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My suggestion is pretty simple.
1. Eliminate the TSA.
2. Mount single-shot tasers on the back of every seat on every aircraft.
3. In addition to teaching about how/when to fasten seatbelts, brief passengers that the small end of the taser is pointed at bad guy, then pull trigger.

To eliminate negligent use, make the set up electronically locked from the cockpit, so the pilot can unlock the unit. If a bad guy or group of them had to face the idea of several hundred electrical shocks, I think it would deter them more than a quickie at the teminal.

As a side note...DO NOT offer a tube of KY jelly to a TSA groper, they have no sense of humor.

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The only security measure enacted after 9/11 which has truly made us safer to fly is the reinforced cockpit door. Bad guys are not going to be to turn a plane into a missile anymore or even hijack the plane. They might be able to gain control of the passenger compartment or destroy the plane but they will not use it as a weapon to multiply it's destructive potential.

Solution: Use the standard security like metal detectors and x-raying the bags. This prevents most weapons from being brought on board while not delaying everyone or invading on people's personal spaces.

I don't like the 4A argument though. Just as you don't have the constitutional "right" to drive you don't have the constitutional "right" to fly. It's a privilege, don't want to be searched, don't fly.

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Don't forget the two air marshals aboard each flight as well.

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Hey I found a solution... lol


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We all know why there is so much airport security. If you want to get rid of the TSA you need to get rid of the reason we have them. I know....I know I'm a hater.

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Issue every adult passenger a single shot pistol. Thompson Center can make something in a pistol caliber.

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