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Old 06-11-2008, 08:12 PM   #11
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[QUOTE=bkt;27561]Check out David Horowitz's book The Professors: The 101 most Dangerous Academic in America sometime. And if you live near a place where they're showing it (or you're inclined to buy the DVD) also check out Indoctrinate U.

Just read the synopsis on Amazon. Sounds interesting. I might order it up for the Kindle tonight before bed.

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Incredible , simply incredible , anyone that stupid shouldn't be allowed to be a Walmart greeter much less a teacher .
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You know this is an insult to WalMart Greeters! lol

This kind of crap is taking place in most schools and Universities and has been for a long time. They are now taking aim at kids with Christian values and beliefs. I just heard the story of girl who was going to receive a failing grade in her Philosophy course for disagreeing with her professor on the existence of God. Apparently the good professor has a web-site where he expected his students to log in and express their support of his conclusions in order to receive a passing grade. The girl contacted Jay Seculow of the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) and they went to her defense and secured a B+ grade. She had a 4.0 GPA and did not wish to relinquish her beliefs in favor or a passing grade. I applaud her for not cow-towing to the secular liberal element. Parallels can be drawn in many areas of society today where the whiney, anti-american, anti-gun, anti-religion, secular progressive crowd seems to be winning the battles because of complacency and a general feeling of morass which leads to defeat. They wear you down to the point where you no longer have the strength or ambition to fight for what you believe in. If people don't start mobilizing and actring against these pervasive threats, sooner or later this country will cease to exist as we know it.
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just looked at an old paper i wrote. research info on Professor Gary Kleck from florida state university dept. of criminology. he did research on firearms used in self defense. according to his research most incidents where a law abiding citizen presented a firearm to prevent a crime from being commited did not report the incident to police. more often than not a citizen who presented a firearm to defend themselves did not have to fire. i guess the criminals miraculaously became reformed. because of this info, a lot of anti-gun statistics become debunked do to the fact that police reports are often used as a primary source of data. BAM!!
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just looked at an old paper i wrote. research info on Professor Gary Kleck from florida state university dept. of criminology. he did research on firearms used in self defense. according to his research most incidents where a law abiding citizen presented a firearm to prevent a crime from being commited did not report the incident to police. more often than not a citizen who presented a firearm to defend themselves did not have to fire. i guess the criminals miraculaously became reformed. because of this info, a lot of anti-gun statistics become debunked do to the fact that police reports are often used as a primary source of data. BAM!!
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I am not sure of the exact numbers but it's something like this.

There are roughly 80-85 million gun owners in America.

There are some where around 250,000,000 to 300,000,000 legally owned guns in America.

There are about 150ish accidentally shootings in the home per year.

There are someplace around 30,000 gun related deaths in the U.S. each year.

Of the 30,000 gun deaths per year some place around 50% are suicides and your not going to stop someone bent on killing their self’s.

Of the 30,000 gun related deaths each year in America they group Justifiable Homicides in there to inflate the figures to make it look like mass murder going on in the U.S.

Justified Homicide accounts for roughly 1,500-3000 depending on the year.

I am sure a good mathematician can figure out the % of like hood of one being killed or killing someone in the family with their private owned gun, it sure is not 70% not even close to 15% chance
As I tend to have this argument with some anti-gun family, could you post a link to the source of this info.. I'd like to use it myself..

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just looked at an old paper i wrote. research info on Professor Gary Kleck from florida state university dept. of criminology. he did research on firearms used in self defense. according to his research most incidents where a law abiding citizen presented a firearm to prevent a crime from being commited did not report the incident to police. more often than not a citizen who presented a firearm to defend themselves did not have to fire. i guess the criminals miraculaously became reformed. because of this info, a lot of anti-gun statistics become debunked do to the fact that police reports are often used as a primary source of data. BAM!!
Gary Kleck and John Lott I believe collaborated on a book back in the early 90's? His name and research was always referenced (Kleck) in numerous articles in a publication called "Gun Week". It was a newspaper-type gun magazine the main focus of which was to publicize and warn of repressive as well as pro-firearms-related legislation in the US and around the world. It also spoke to new developments and provided extensive reviews of the annual SHOT show. Definately one of the most informative sources I have ever seen, and it was a bi-weekly publication, so the news was never outdated.
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As I tend to have this argument with some anti-gun family, could you post a link to the source of this info.. I'd like to use it myself..

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Some of the information is on this site with links to agencies that compile the data. The site has many good articles written by many authors and most can lead you to the data you seek.

http://www.guncite.com/

I also like this site for a lot of good information, and I kind of know the Co-author of it, David Codrea who is a Field Editor/"Rights Watch" columnist, for
GUNS AND AMMO, HANDGUNS and GUNS. Some of the links are not working for some reason; I need to send him an email to let him know. He also has a Blog http://waronguns.blogspot.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20000301150929/www.guntruths.com/Resource/Resource_ctr.htm
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Default I was trying to be a good example.... my kids were watching

Some of the suggestions recommended that I should have done while colorful and fun are not what I was really tempted to do (electricity and fire came to mind) and what I really did.

I took the paper and the grade along with her write up on the project and had a casual conversation with an career FBI friend of mine. Oh, and he happened to be one of the people my son interviewed while doing the project. Imagine that.

Seems a few months latter she ran into some problems with an IRS audit, had some legal difficulties for some reason or other and had to leave her teaching career. My FBI guy swears he just made one little inquiry about her to a friend of his and that was all!

Last my son heard she was trying to be a real estate agent somewhere in Michigan.

There is always justice, you just have to think about it, and look for it real hard in some of the most unusual places.

Thanks for the support guys. I don't feel so bad about starting that little snowball rolling down the hill.
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You know, I am reading these stories by mopar and npbwbass and I can't help but become completely infuriated. Are there no standards of conduct for teachers anymore?

Just because you personally don't agree with the topic, or the source information, you are going to fail the kid? That is a real great way to raise some closed minded drones I guess, but doesn't this just smack of censorship?

It's not like they were doing their reports on the porn industry, brought in a live display, and it was met with complaints from offended members of the class & faculty.

So, you don't agree with the firearm statistics used - But they are published and here they are. That doesn't mean you made them up?! It means that you found a creditable source and quoted it in connection with your position. Isn't that was a report is all about in the first place?!

Can anyone positively tell me WHAT Shakespeare was thinking when he wrote "To thine own self be true" ?!? You can write what you THINK he meant, or you can write what someone else has interpreted it to mean. What is the difference if you take someone's word on something like that versus some statistics that were published?

Those teachers should be bounced to some uber liberal college in San Fran where they can wax poetic with the rest of Haight-Ashbury set.

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