To me all guns are toys, and the TC`s are just more toys. Don`t ask me how many toys I have because I really don`t know. I do have 2 Encores, a rifle in 209-50 and a handgun in .357 max. Last year and the year befor I killed 3 deer with each of them. They have became my main arsnel for deer. I have 3 Contender frames and several barrels for them. My favorite being a .17 AH rifle barrel from Bullberry. I have a .357 mag. Contender that would make a great deer gun for someone, but I much prefer the Max. To say that they are over priced or under priced really does not mean much because if 2 people do not agree on the price there will not be a sale. The last Contender I bought I gave $450 for a frame and 4 barrels. One of the barrels had a cheap scope on it. If you stick a roll of green back in your pocket and walk around the gun show you would be suprised what you can come home with, and some times at a very reasonible price. The .17 AH barrel I bought came with dies for $200 and that is less than 1/2 price of new buy a good bit. The thing about that deal is that there are not many buyer out there for wildcats. I like to play with them and with this one I shot alot of 5 shot groups under 1/4 in. at 100 yrds. The best carry gun for groundhog I`ve ever had. I had and H&R in .223 that had a trigger job and was a nice little varment rifle, but it was not even in the same leage as the TC, and the price reflected that, but it did the same job.