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Old 07-25-2014, 11:19 PM   #1
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With all the talk about drinking on this forum, I thought some balance might be afforded via a "non-drinking" thread .
To start off, I read A Drinking Life by Pete Hamill years ago and liked it . I also read The Black Sheep Squadron and Baa Baa Black sheep, both about Pappy Boyington .
Several Years ago, I read the acclaimed book, The Liar's Club by Mary Karr.
She has since written two more memoirs that are not worth reading except as cautionary stories about alcohol and illegal drugs : Cherry and Lit .

George Jones's I lived To Tell It All and Waylon Jennings's Waylon are autobiographies that warn about alcohol and drugs .

And there's always the old best-selling " AA Big Book " Alcoholics Anonymous .

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You need to get some balance. How about a subscription to "Whiskey Advocate" magazine??

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I don't see alcohol as a sin -
If it were, Christ would not have turned the water into wine at the wedding.
But alcohol abuse is a serious problem, destroying careers, families and lives.

I made the personal decision many years ago to stop drinking completely, and have not had a taste of anything for several decades.
But for those that want a drink in a social situation, or a beer with their fish, I certainly do not condemn them.
Lack of moderation is the real issue here.

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I don't see alcohol as a sin -
If it were, Christ would not have turned the water into wine at the wedding.
But alcohol abuse is a serious problem, destroying careers, families and lives.

I made the personal decision many years ago to stop drinking completely, and have not had a taste of anything for several decades.
But for those that want a drink in a social situation, or a beer with their fish, I certainly do not condemn them.
Lack of moderation is the real issue here.
For many with a problem moderation is the issue. Kenny Chesney describes the problem well "One is one to many one more is never enough".

For those addicts among us it is a personal problem not society's issue but I do feel for them and if anyone is looking for help, I would be there for them.
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some people have problems with moderation. whether it be alcohol, gambling, or actually anything for that matter. personally i see those people who get addicted to such things as having little or no willpower as to when to stop doing something. they allow something to consume everything around them. they allow it to destroy everything good in their lives.

i have gambled before and actually enjoy doing it. love playing the slots and playing Blackjack. but i'm not addicted and can walk away at any moment. i set limits for myself. i will spend exactly a certain amount, and once i have lost that certain amount, i am done. i got to the point several times in the past where i enjoyed drinking too much. i stopped before it became a problem. i knew i had to set limits, or else would be a problem.

i have seen others in the past who were alcoholics or had gambling problems and saw how they destroyed not only their own lives, but others around them. i knew i never wanted to be like that.

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I am sure someone will make something of this statement that it is not. It is not intended to put anyone down or imply anything about anyone. This is simply about me.

I used to work for 2 Circus Circus Casino properties in Laughlin NV. I was always drinking and gambling. I was smoking 2 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day. I thought I was happy with my life. I called myself a Christian. But didn't really have a relationship with Jesus. When I met Tina, (my wife) I saw a different kind of person in her. I realized that my life was truly lacking. I went to church with her several times. And I started to see that I needed that relationship. I look back now and realize that my life was actually in turmoil. But I didn't see it then. One Sunday I was at the church we were visiting. I broke down and asked God to truly change me life. He did. Almost immediately. I lost all desire to smoke. I haven't been to a bar in almost 19 years. I don't remember the last time I was drunk. I still drink a beer once in a while. I have no problem with other people that drink, as long as they don't over do it and try to get me involved. I have to go to Las Vegas every summer for a convention for my business. I have no desire to gamble. I used to be addicted. I used to drink like crazy while I gambled. I would never drink and drive. So I always took a cab to the casino if I was on my own time. I would bring the amount of money I felt I could afford to lose plus cab fare. I can't tell you how many times I walked home in the rain because I lost my cab fair too. That is a real addition. Now I just don't care. I'm not interested. I don't care about alcohol either, or cigarettes. I am not saying that I am not tempted by sin. I am. But not the sin's that I once lived for.

Again, this is my personal testimony. This is not a slam of anyone on here. If you have a drinking problem or a gambling problem...I get it. I know how it feels.

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Like all other pleasures available, moderation is the key.

I've known functioning alcoholics that never missed a day of work due to alcohol, never drove a vehicle while impaired, and were basically solid, hard working taxpaying citizens.

BUT

When they got home in the evening, they drank until they passed out. alcohol was what they lived for.

I've known people that had the same obsession with sports. They wouldn't read anything in the newspaper or magazines but the sports page. If anyone wanted to have a conversation with them, you had to talk sports. They had no interest in anything else in life.

Others are the same way about sex. All reading material in their apartment is porn. whenever they see a woman, they comment about how they wonder how she would be in bed.

In reality, these are all pretty much the same problem. Escape from reality. Escape from life actually. Fixation on one single thing to prevent reality from intruding on their mind.

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Unlike MANY drugs ETOH has a positive use/effect on health. Study after study has show a 'daily' drink or beer is good for most peoples general health.
As a matter of fact I highly recommend it as a fitness professional.
It has been shown that one (160 lbs and under) and no more than two (160+ lbs) drinks/beers in the evening as we are winding down is a good thing. Needless to say this does not apply to those with other wealth concerns which are aggravated by ETOH.
BUT I tell people you can't 'save' them up and wait until the end of the month and play catch-up!
If you are one of the people who, for whatever reason/excuse sighted, can't stop at one then this does not apply.
I came back from RVN the first time with a BAD ETOH problem. I swore off for 6 month ( the first week or two was HARD AS HELL) and now I can take it or leave it.

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haven't drank in over 7 years. i'm much better off that way.

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