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Old 01-19-2013, 12:34 PM   #11
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I think it doesn't matter who paid for it but I believe the background check should have been done on the person who was going to own the gun. Particularly if she were present.

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How...and why...is that wrong???

I asked for a gun as a gift, once. I went and filled out all the paperwork, a relative of mine paid for it, using a card, exact same scenario...That gun still sits in my safe, that relative is no longer with us. Same scenario you mentioned.

My first gun when I turned 18, was my 17 year old friend said to me "lets go shooting". He had money, so we went to a LGS, and I bought a Remington 597. He paid the lady in cash, we walked out, went in the woods and shot cans all day. Then I took the gun home. I still have that rifle.


I see nothing wrong with what happened, and *GASP!!!! Sometimes I sell my guns to friends....

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How...and why...is that wrong???

I asked for a gun as a gift, once. I went and filled out all the paperwork, a relative of mine paid for it, using a card, exact same scenario...That gun still sits in my safe, that relative is no longer with us. Same scenario you mentioned.

My first gun when I turned 18, was my 17 year old friend said to me "lets go shooting". He had money, so we went to a LGS, and I bought a Remington 597. He paid the lady in cash, we walked out, went in the woods and shot cans all day. Then I took the gun home. I still have that rifle.


I see nothing wrong with what happened, and *GASP!!!! Sometimes I sell my guns to friends....
I do believe the background check was done on the Mom even thought the daughter was right there. THAT'S what makes it wrong.
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I do believe the background check was done on the Mom even thought the daughter was right there. THAT'S what makes it wrong.
Its wrong IF the daughter was the intended owner -
Whos to say for sure the Mother wasn't & the girl was just paying for it?
Kids do it for parents--parents do it for kids (legal age of course)
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Legally that is a straw purchase. The background check is suposed to be done on the one paying for the gun. It would have been perfectly legal for the daughter to purchase the gun if the background check had been done on the daughter and then hand the gun to the mother as a gift.

It was probably inocent. But it was still not proper. My wife has gifted me many guns. But she always had to do the background check herself and pay for it herself. It asks on the form if you are the actual purchaser. If someone else is paying for it, you are not the actual purchaser.

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While I agree with your sentiments, folks, this may have been an illegal sale.

If YOU buy a gun, and GIVE it to someone as a gift- that is legit, and not a strawman sale. If they give you the MONEY to buy it FOR THEM, that is a strawman sale. And that is illegal. Why? because that is the law.

Case in point- was at LGS, extremely busy, shop owner asked if I had a minute to talk with couple of gents that were shopping for a revolver. Sure (I drink their coffee, eat their brownies, do not mind helping out)

Young man, mid 20s, US Navy. Visiting his father-in-law, had expressed desire to buy a revover, FIL had brought him down to shop. I asked his duty station, home of record. Hmm. Both in another state. Explained that Fed law did not permit him to acquire a handgun in a state not his residence.
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FIL asked if SIL could give him the money, and HE woud buy the gun, and give it to him. No. That is the classic description of a strawman sale. The ATF has a training video on Strawman Sales for dealers on their website.

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I really don't see a problem. Mom wants/needs a gun, daughter buys for her. Under the mom's name.

Is it really any different than any man taking their girlfriend/wife into a gun store, saying "pick out what you want" and then buying it for them? The very same method many of us here have recommended in the past?

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Ok, how's this for you then. What if she just said it was her daughter and it wasn't. How do you know? If it was a gift, why didn't she just buy it and give it to her.

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Isn't there a question on the 4473 form asking you if this purchase is for you or someone else? If this question was answered incorrectly, I do believe there is a criminal act being performed.
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