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Old 09-20-2013, 04:31 PM   #41
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If I may. You are looking at approximately 900 foot pounds of energy at 50 yards. Soft targets, you will drop them. Armored targets, you will slow them down until they get closer.

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It'll just slow 'em down.

Seriously . . . if I've got an army after me, I'm so ****ed anyway that it won't make that much difference.
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Old 09-20-2013, 04:56 PM   #42
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@txpossum,

Someo of the folks that has posted on this thread has either been on the field of the bad guy or severerly trained for it. All the advice is good.

Now having said that, the days of the open street shoot out died with the OK Corral. For me, using your scenario, I have the following weapons for these purposes.

Long Range: PSL-54
Short to Medium Range: WASR 10/63, Mossberg 500
Short Range: PT1911 or Px4 Storm.

If you outfit you Rucksack properly, you can carry this load out with relative ease.

Point is, train with your weapons of choice and get comfortable with them. Get your heart rate up and try to aquire your targets and then learn how to slow your heart rate down.

What works for me or the other posters here may or may not work for you.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled cigar.

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Go with the 30-30 Win.

Federal .45 acp. - 230 Gr. FMJ, 404 ft./lbs. of energy & 890 ft./sec. Muzzle Velocity

Federal 30-30 Win. - 170 Gr. SP, 1827 ft./ lbs. of energy & 2200 ft./sec. M. V.

Using the Marlin 336 in 30-30, you still get 6 + 1 capacity, superior ballistics and a longer sight plain. Save the 1911 for after you've expended all of your 30-30 ammo!

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Well, building up an AR 15 might make sense, but I don't like them.
Yes, definitely build one. But I predict two outcomes from this... given a reasonable time frame "an AR" occurs infrequently in our group. Sure, at first you talk of "one" but give it time and you'll have more! Or certainly want more. The other outcome? Yes, you'll like them!

As a person who tinkered with cars over the decades to make them faster and better; and has to put together the best hand selected components for home audio then later home theater; and building/overclocking my own computers since 1987 ... Yeah, the AR is THE perfect rifle for me!
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I don't know why everyone is criticizing Possum.

He understands everything you're all saying.

Its not like this scenario is ever gonna happen anyway. And if it does, be glad he's armed at all. Most people wouldn't be.

Just let the Possum have his thoughts and just smile and nod. "Mhmm, that's nice Possum. Good Possum. Would you like another cigar, Possum?"

We shouldn't spend so much time criticizing each others' preferences. What's the point? None of these hypothetical situations are ever gonna happen anyway. So just let everyone have their fun.

Me? I'll have an 8 shot .357 Magnum revolver (how's that for antiquated technology, huh??), and probably my Winchester 30-30.

I understand the capability of the the AR platform (trust me, I have plenty of trigger time on an M16 and I can hit man-sized targets out to 500 yards 80%+ of the time on iron sights, in the chest), and I want one someday. But we're talking hypotheticals which won't happen so for intents and purposes, I'm gonna be a cowboy with my Winchester 30-30.

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I understand the capability of the the AR platform (trust me, I have plenty of trigger time on an M16 and I can hit man-sized targets out to 500 yards 80%+ of the time on iron sights, in the chest), and I want one someday. But we're talking hypotheticals which won't happen so for intents and purposes, I'm gonna be a cowboy with my Winchester 30-30.
Also, most people's ARs are target rifles. They wouldn't do very well in a full-on combat situation. Even M16s with loose tolerances need to be cleaned constantly. A target style AR15 doesn't stand a chance.
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Here's your soundtrack JW:

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For me, a carbine length '06, and for a sidearm, keeping the same concept, a S&W .357 mag. My 65-2 would work well and I have a Voere '06, built on a Mauser action, that would handle very well.

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Also, most people's ARs are target rifles. They wouldn't do very well in a full-on combat situation. Even M16s with loose tolerances need to be cleaned constantly. A target style AR15 doesn't stand a chance.
Interesting, and just how many tours did you do that brought you to this conclusion?
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What the heck are you guys talking about???

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Under your premise, YES you are.

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