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Old 04-11-2014, 09:32 PM   #81
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I have decided (I think) that my next purchase should be a long gun dedicated to self defense. Now, I don't feel under-armed, but I don't HAVE a long gun whose primary function is self defense (well, okay, I have a couple of what used to be call "riot guns", but let's pretend they don't exist. I'm looking for an excuse to buy a new gun).

I really don't want an AR in .223. If it's a rifle, I'd like it to be in a larger caliber (yes, I know the reasons one should get a .223. I'm ignoring them), and am considering a MIA, but am open to other suggestions. The exception to not wanting a .223 would be a mini-14, as I have a bunch of hi-cap mags for one.

However, I am also interested in the Saiga 12, but have read conflicting reviews. Anyone with actual experience with one?

I'd also even consider a (yep, y'all know it) an M-1 Garand, as I have a bunch of clips for it also.

So . . . let's try to keep the price under about $1200. What would you recommend?
You have a bunch of magazines over 30 rounds for the mini?? I didnt know anyone made 35 or 40 rounders for it

I would suggest a scar17. It is a bit over your limit. What do you have against the ar15??

Ive got some experience with the saiga. They can be iffy to get running and tend to have issues with birdshot type loadings. Once you get one going they work well. They are very very heavy for what they are and they are horrible for anything but 3 gun competition and even then not the gun i would pick
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For a house gun it's damn hard to bear a Benelli M-4

I don't like "indoor" rifles, but if that's what you want look at the FNAR in .308 with 16 inch barrel.

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A .308 featherweight Model 70 is on my short list.

I've never heard anyone complain about having a Model 70 in their collection.

You can even get a Super Grade at the price point.

There were no specifics given as to what ranges you needed some protection at.

I wouldn't mind having one, even though I'm pretty well covered in that category.
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You have a bunch of magazines over 30 rounds for the mini?? I didnt know anyone made 35 or 40 rounders for it

I would suggest a scar17. It is a bit over your limit. What do you have against the ar15??
He probably shot a 22 wmr on a windy day. Then he shot a 5.56 and discovered at 200 yards the wind had blown both rounds into the next county.
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so with all this new technology these days, you are saying all the guns being made today are better than a pre-64 Winchester?
The Winchester 1873 is the gun that won the west away from the American Indians. It is the first true "assault rifle" even though this term was not coined until 70 years later by Adolf H. in Germany.

And the 1873 and its more recent cousins would work just as well today as it did then for skirmishes.

The modern AR's, AK's and Mini's being derived from the German StG's, are just that much faster to shoot during CQB actions. But the groundwork was laid by the Winchester.

I don't have a Winchester but I have fired one. You really need a leather glove to operate the lever action unless you want to blister your hand if doing so a lot.

If I were a collector, I would definitely want a Winchester. But my Ruger Mini 14 serves the modern purpose of a Winchester for me -- intermediate range self defense and offense. Just as the modern 45ACP serves the modern purpose formerly served by the Colt 45 Peacemaker.
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The Winchester 1873 is the gun that won the west away from the American Indians. It is the first true "assault rifle" even though this term was not coined until 70 years later by Adolf H. in Germany.

And the 1873 and its more recent cousins would work just as well today as it did then for skirmishes.

The modern AR's, AK's and Mini's being derived from the German StG's, are just that much faster to shoot during CQB actions. But the groundwork was laid by the Winchester.

I don't have a Winchester but I have fired one. You really need a leather glove to operate the lever action unless you want to blister your hand if doing so a lot.

If I were a collector, I would definitely want a Winchester. But my Ruger Mini 14 serves the modern purpose of a Winchester for me -- intermediate range self defense and offense. Just as the modern 45ACP serves the modern purpose formerly served by the Colt 45 Peacemaker.
You really have no clue what you are talking about. The mini-14 and Ar have nothing in common with an STG 44.
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FN P90. Might give em a look. It's probably less thump than what you were looking for and it runs pretty close to your top end price range but it is a decent mid range carbine round.

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FN P90. Might give em a look. It's probably less thump than what you were looking for and it runs pretty close to your top end price range but it is a decent mid range carbine round.

Plus you have 50 shots to hit your target lol


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If your not getting a Mini-14(Jon,..I have 5-40 Rounders for mine, but they are hard to find,.) They are Making the M-1 Carbine in 9MM now,..
Im still of the belief that a Mini will do you Just Fine TX....



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