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Old 03-12-2014, 09:56 AM   #11
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Yeah, among many Models they do not produce any longer, but you can't have it all, right? They made a Carbine in handgun caliber, too bad they can't make a Mini in 9MM, esp. Since that design has proven itself reliable.


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Old 03-12-2014, 10:37 AM   #12
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I can't understand why they discontinued this model either, as almost everything I have heard about it is very positive, backed up by my experience shooting mine.

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Until recently, I hadn't seen a Ruger 44mag auto or lever gun for years. They're starting to show up at gun shows around here. Prices? Guess it depends how bad you want one. Doubt seriously the military would ever adopt something like the Ruger, even if it was still in production. A whole new platform requiring armorers, parts and ammo. The Army had a tough enough time getting back up to speed with the M-14 when soldiers started taking them to Iraq.
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I have of the original Ruger .44 magnum carbine, the" Deerstalker" and aside from using it for hunting, I think it would be a gun gun for peace officers, and has tremendous military possibilities as well, for mop-up operations, house to house fighting, and close range combat.
I've read that some PD's have adopted the Beretta CX4. I think its "tactical" ergonomics and the commonality of caliber are among the reasons. The 44 Mag round is more expensive, and may be considered simply too much for the purpose.
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Interesting. Which PDs? The only solid reference I have heard about this gun being issued is that the Indian Army, (or police, I can't remember), bought a whole bunch. But that was the MX4 version, the fully automatic one. If a PD already was issued Berettas, it would make sense, though. Assuming they had the money, it's not a cheap gun.

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Pistol caliber carbines have range problems in combat. It is a war. People are a threat from all ranges. I don't think I could send a squad of men to clear a building with a rifle that doesn't have a 300 yard range. The slow heavy cartridge would be ineffective if the men got into something unplanned.

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Not sure what kind of urban combat would present ranges of 900 feet. Aren't certain groups issued things like the H&K MP5 all the time?

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Penetration of the .44 Magnum is hefty. Devastating at close range.

But this can be a two edged sword in urban environments.

It would not surprise me that the .44 Magnum has been considered

and rejected, by LE, at least, because of the extreme penetration.


Do a range test, using wood or other solid targets, and compare the 44 Mag

to other rounds.

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Maybe a PDW style weapon chambered in .460 Rowland... that would make an excellent house clearing and urban warfare weapon.

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Interesting. Which PDs? The only solid reference I have heard about this gun being issued is that the Indian Army, (or police, I can't remember), bought a whole bunch. But that was the MX4 version, the fully automatic one. If a PD already was issued Berettas, it would make sense, though. Assuming they had the money, it's not a cheap gun.
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