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Old 03-17-2014, 09:25 PM   #34111
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Would like to know what the insignia on the tail stands for or what squad it belonged too . Think there were only about 240-50 of these made so the finding the history on it should not be that hard about where it was used , based , and when , where it crashed or why it went down ..
I have fixed some * in my days that should have never gone again but this one is a bit rough . I trust my welds but not enough to hold wings on .
Aviation guys are whole other breed , its a world I will never fit in with , heck I dont think with any amount of work or money that the FAA would ever re-certify this old girl to fly again .
I can hardly afford my current gun , bike and hotrod hobbies , dang sure cant afford the airplane side , not even the toy air planes
That's First Cavalry insignia (buddy was in the 1st). Yeah, the only way that would get off the ground again would be with a ton of Tannerite!

I have seen some restorations that looked worse when they started though. It would be cheaper to buy a new one. You might be able to find out more about it by running the tail number through the FAA, but I don't know how to go about that.

What would be fun though would be to build an enclosed trike that uses the canopy and some of the fuselage (like the tail!). Kind of like a drop tank salt car.
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Ok , going off the patch on the tail is the insignia of the 1st Calvary . Going by that and the planes historical use , there is a very good possiblity it was used in either Korea or Vietnam . 1st Calvary was ww2 , korea , nam , persian gulf .
Plane is not old enough for ww2 and way too old for the gulf .
Seems to be a very limited number of them , even fewer from the military even more fewer surviving .

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North American Aviation won the competition with their NAvion, and a contract for 83 examples was signed, giving the type the military designation of L-17A. The robust construction and predicable flying characteristics were ideal for an airplane intended to be flown by aging officers, while maintained by 19 year olds. The comfortable four-place interior made it a welcome transport for officers, and with a removable rear seat, a 1,000 pound payload, and an RCA VHF radio, the NAvion would quickly find more roles.
Initially getting aircraft to the Korean combat theater proved a challenge. Two groups of L-17s were delivered to the theater on the decks of the escort aircraft carriers USS Sicily (CVE-118) and USS Badoeng Strait (CVE-116), with the planes being flown off the carrier deck upon their arrival. Both General Douglas MacArthur and General Matt Ridgeway had personal L-17s. It was a quirk-of-fate that brought the L-17 into front line combat, when the pilots began using their factory- equipped RCA VHF radios to act as a bridge between the soldiers on the ground and the armed combat aircraft above. With a simple radio call, United Nations troops could call down air support from rocket and bomb equipped North American F-51D Mustangs, and Lockheed F-80 Shooting Stars. The role was quickly called front line tactical air control, later forward air control (or FAC), and planes were logging upwards of 100 hours each month. When armed air support wasn't available, L-17 pilots took it upon themselves to buzz enemy troops. In several cases North Korean and Chinese soldiers surrendered to the intrepid fliers, obviously confusing the L-17 for its armed F-51 brother.
I would soil my underpants if it belonged to either of them .
Someone on here has to be a nam vet who remembers these things

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HOLY * , dont know how I found this but here she is actually flying , its actually the same effing plane !

Also found the NTSB report on her , seem the dang fuel pump gave up the ghost
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On May 14, 2000, at about 1905 eastern daylight time, a Navion L-17B, registered to a private owner, operating as a 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight, experienced a total loss of engine power on initial climbout in the vicinity of Sharpsburg, Georgia. A forced landing was made to a wooded area. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed. The airplane sustained substantial damage. The airline transport pilot sustained serious injuries, one passenger sustained minor injuries, and one passenger was not injured. The flight originated from Falcon Field, Peachtree City, Georgia, about 5 minutes before the accident.

The pilot stated he departed from runway 31, and the takeoff was normal. He completed the after takeoff checklist, set the climb power and started his crosswind turn at 1400 feet. The engine stopped. He initiated the emergency procedure by moving the fuel selector to the auxiliary tank and turned the electric fuel boost pump on. He could hear the boost pump running and the fuel pressure gauge indicated pressure in the green arc. The propeller was not turning. He engaged the starter but the engine did not turn over. He selected an open field as a forced landing area, attempted a MAYDAY call, and moved the fuel selector back to the main fuel tank. He checked the mixture was full rich, set the throttle, magnetos on both, fuel boost pump was on, pressure checked, and engaged the starter with negative results. He informed the passengers that he was not going to be able to make the open field and that he was going to land in the trees. He heard and felt the tops of the trees hitting the airplane, and pulled the nose up, the tail settled in as the airplane began to decelerate. The airplane descended through the foliage and collided with the terrain.

Examination of the airframe and flight controls revealed no evidence of a mechanical failure or malfunction. Examination of the engine assembly and accessories by Teledyne Continental Motors and the FAA revealed the engine-driven fuel pump shaft was sheared. The Teledyne Continental Motors Preliminary report states, "the pump shaft is connected to a solid shaft integral with a gear in the engine. The hollow shaft on the fuel pump mates with the solid shaft on the gear by means of a hole drilled through the end of both shafts. The shafts are held together by a pin of approximately 1/8 inch in diameter. The other end of the fuel pump shaft is the eccentric that is located in the pump chamber. Two sliding vanes set in right angles in an eccentric provide the pumping action as the shaft rotates. Bits of aluminum metal were found inside the pump chamber and scoring was evident on the walls of the chamber. The hollow fuel pump shaft was sheared at the end where the 1/8 inch roll pin was positioned. No source of the debris was located." (For additional information see Teledyne Continental Motors Preliminary Report, an attachment to this report.)
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Ok , going off the patch on the tail is the insignia of the 1st Calvary . Going by that and the planes historical use , there is a very good possiblity it was used in either Korea or Vietnam . 1st Calvary was ww2 , korea , nam , persian gulf .
Plane is not old enough for ww2 and way too old for the gulf .
Seems to be a very limited number of them , even fewer from the military even more fewer surviving .

I would soil my underpants if it belonged to either of them .
Someone on here has to be a nam vet who remembers these things

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HOLY * , dont know how I found this but here she is actually flying , its actually the same effing plane !
What the heck happened to it? Crash landing?
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TWW go back up and read the crash report , it tried to pretend it was a bard and land in the trees , would like to know where the effing wings are

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...heck I dont think with any amount of work or money that the FAA would ever re-certify this old girl to fly again .
I wonder if you could call it an "experimental" project and bypass the FAA?

It does look too far gone for anything but a tribute though.
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http://www.l-17.org/registry.htm

here is where I found alot of info on it , seems this list is all that survive and somehow I end up with the only dam one that is crashed lol .
163 on mine built only 53 located one being mine
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Dont poke the hornets nest that is the russians , these guys are nuts shooting each other with live rounds
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My ex wife was 1st Cav and I spent enough time with them on TDY that I got to go do my Spur Ride and earn my spurs they also gave me my Stetson Cav hat(only after making me drink a noxious concoction out of it lol)

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Are the crossed swords under the patch any relation or what ? I can run some checks to see if its a actual deployed craft or that it saw service but most of it is actual paper work and looking up micro films in archives , a real PITA .
So w/o verifying it , it could just be stickers but I kinda doubt it .
According to the Serial numbers just above and just below it , those in that few 15 or so range saw service
Real real curious as to why he is giving it to me at that price , for 2 reasons .
1 he is selling all the other junk at scrap metal value 5-800.00 and this one for 100.00
2 If he knows what it is he must not care or does not really know what it is .
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just b/c he knows I appreciate this kind of stuff and will take care of it and put it to good use and not destroy or sell it for profit .

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