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Old 10-20-2013, 08:44 PM   #29711
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F4U - You are arguing with someone who gets paid to uphold the laws that you are arguing against. Do you really think you're going to sway his opinion?
Hey I have a lot of opinions against a lot of laws. Even some traffic laws. But I understand the difference between rights and privileges and also believe that both should be taken away from some individuals.

You know what I'll start a PRC thread on it.
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:54 PM   #29712
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Thread started. Here ya go:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f13/laws-rights-priveleges-where-should-line-drawn-99228/
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:22 PM   #29713
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Hey I have a lot of opinions against a lot of laws. Even some traffic laws. But I understand the difference between rights and privileges and also believe that both should be taken away from some individuals.

You know what I'll start a PRC thread on it.
Which takes me out of the conversation.

I want to thank delta for a civil discussion that never turned personal or ugly. But I agree it got a bit out of hand for this forum.

When my shoulder heals and I get back to work and get this mountain of medical bills paid off I will become a supporting member because the good stuff seams to be behind "DOOR NUMBER ONE".

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My point is it doesn't exist because we have been conditioned that it doesn't exist. For most of history governments regulated the possession of weapons too! Many still do.

My personal safety is my concern, that is a large part of all of the ccw argument. Seat belts and helmet laws fall into the same category in my opinion.

We could argue this until doomsday and all we would accomplish is to turn this political and ruin a good thread without convincing each other.
Why I am a proponent of mandatory helmet laws: If you crash and get seriously injured they will be transported by an ambulance to a hospital, and treated. If the costs exceed their insurance, the state ends up footing the bill. If you survive the injuries and end up disabled, you are now on Social Security, and Medicaid. If your in your early twenties, the state could end up spending a million dollars or more.

In my mind people need to take personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions. So, if you elect to ride with out a helmet, this should be a defacto DNR order. We don't do anything beyond basic first aid at the site. No transport to an ER, we just let you suffer the consequences of your decision and die. This minimizes the financial impact to society of your poor decision.
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guys, lets start a dedicated thread in Legal and Activism on the debate of driving is a right or privelage. i would like to chime in with my thoughts, but we are starting muddy up this thread about Random Thoughts.

personally i think it would make a good subject matterfor discussion and would get more people involved if it were it's own thread.
I agree. Please start a new thread to further the discussion on driving and roads.
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I agree. Please start a new thread to further the discussion on driving and roads.
Already done
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Why do bicyclists get equal rights to the roadway and pay none of the taxes?
Other than being a nuisance they aren't a problem.

The real question is why aren't the trucks that cause over ninety percent of the wear and damage to the roadways, paying only fifteen percent of the cost through fuel and use taxes?
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