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Old 07-19-2013, 04:17 AM   #26911
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i can fully relate to that. i am at the point that surgery isn't an option, as it would not alleviate the pain and i would lose mobility in my back and neck, and would have to have more surgeries in another 4-6 years. mine is from degenerative disc disease and they discs are deteiorating, and the vertabrae are rubbing upon each other. the vertabrae in my neck are at a stage 4 condition and the ones in my lower back are at a stage 3.

i have been seeing a chiropractor now for almost two months twice a week. it's been helpful in helping deal with the pain. he's been quite honest in telling me that he can't fix or cure my spine problems, and won't be able to eliminate all the pain i am in, but will be able to at least reduce it to a tolerable level. it's the best i can hope for right now. but a lot of activities are now just not as possible as they were even a year ago.
One of the things that the doctors told me that made me search for alternatives was that the surgery has a 63% success rate. They consider "success" to be no increase in pain levels, meaning I could be stuck with level 7 pain for the rest of my life. I don't like those odds. One of the doctors (one of the Stanford Nuero docs) is a very good friend of mine, so I have no doubt I was getting the straight story.
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One of the things that the doctors told me that made me search for alternatives was that the surgery has a 63% success rate. They consider "success" to be no increase in pain levels, meaning I could be stuck with level 7 pain for the rest of my life. I don't like those odds. One of the doctors (one of the Stanford Nuero docs) is a very good friend of mine, so I have no doubt I was getting the straight story.
back in 2008 when my back was getting worse by the day it seemed, i was refered by my doctor to a neurosurgeon for evalution of my back and neck. the only surgery he recommended was the newer laser surgey as it was less invasive and had the highest potential for reasonable success for my neck and back problems. he said bluntly that conventional surgery just wouldn't help me, and wouldn't recommend doing it. problem was, at that time, laser surgery of the spine was still fairly new and the closest location to have it done then was in Florida, and i live in Texas, and the health insurance i had with the company i worked for wouldn't pay for it, but they would have paid for conventional surgery. so in a nut shell, i was screwed.
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back in 2008 when my back was getting worse by the day it seemed, i was refered by my doctor to a neurosurgeon for evalution of my back and neck. the only surgery he recommended was the newer laser surgey as it was less invasive and had the highest potential for reasonable success for my neck and back problems. he said bluntly that conventional surgery just wouldn't help me, and wouldn't recommend doing it. problem was, at that time, laser surgery of the spine was still fairly new and the closest location to have it done then was in Florida, and i live in Texas, and the health insurance i had with the company i worked for wouldn't pay for it, but they would have paid for conventional surgery. so in a nut shell, i was screwed.
On a slight tangent, my sister-in-law went in to the ER in an ambulance because her back blew out on her a couple of years ago and the young doc who looked at her there recommended spinal fusion surgery. he was digging for dollars. My friend Gary the neurosurgeon took a look at her films and referred her to another doc. Simultaneously the young ER doc had already submitted his diagnosis to the insurance company and they rubber-stamped it approved. Gary (he couldn't see her as a doctor because he didn't work at that hospital) and the doc he referred to her as well as a third doc (I think he was also a recommendation by Gary) all agreed that fusion would not do anything to help her, and very well might make things worse. They were agreed that she should have a discectomy for a herniated disc. Now here's the rub. The discectomy costs less than a third of what the fusion costs but the insurance would not approve it. WTF?!?!

In the end we threatened malpractice and lawyers and they caved in. The young ER doc was approved to do the discectomy with the other docs standing in. The insurance covered it all and still spent less than they were going to. SIL had to endure excruciating pain (when asked where her pain was on a scale of 1 to 10 she screamed A FUKKING HUNDRED!!! at the top of her lungs) for two days while things got worked out. But she is OK now.
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I was kinda aiming at the artical

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Why am I hungriest when I'm tired? Anyone else get that?

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Why am I hungriest when I'm tired? Anyone else get that?
Maybe you are tired because you are hungry?
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Because food is transformed into energy in our bodies, you ever notice you crave more sugars and carbs when you're tired?
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I think we may be loosing our shop and land thanks to the IRS , no fault of mine but dads bookkeeper dropped the ball on some taxes and its not good at all , I think we have lost it all , if dads company goes , I loose my place too , land and shop are all tied in together . I will be moving assets this weekend and liquidate what we can , If we dont need it to operate its going away into hiding , This is nothing short of BAD

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http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1546.pdf
Is it too late to talk to the Taxpayers Advocates at IRS?


I seriously hope it isn't 941/payroll taxes; that can get ugly.
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