[gearhead396]

Originally Posted by orangello

Also the pill heads hooked on alprazalam/xanax; they go into seizures that can be fatal if not treated/controlled.

Seen that happen to a child hood friend who was recently addicted to Xanax seen it happen right in front of me. The seizure is caused by the withdraw from what I understand.

[Vikingdad]

Originally Posted by MobileMarine

Both docs told me my biggest recovery hurdle is smoking , dont know if I believe them or not , it may be more anti-smoking hype , just like 2nd hand smoke
I have cut down from 2.5 packs a day to 1 MAYBE 1.5 . Been trying to get on the electronic smokes but they hit harder than a non filter camel or some ragged green . Cough my ass off with one little puff

I have heard from some friends who are/were smokers that changing to natural tobacco (one of them even grows his own) and it is supposed to be much less worse for you because the tobacco companies put tons of chemicals in their cigs, but it also weans you off of the dependency of the chemicals while still giving you the nicotine. Then when you wean off the nicotine by tapering off on how much you smoke you are fighting fewer monkeys. Plus, you roll your own so people think you are even cooler- or they think you are smoking a doobie. Either way you win.

[MobileMarine]

Oh I got the right set up and materials to roll mine and i can punch out 15 or so a minute but if you dont have hair on your chest it will put it there , if you do it will take it off , they are harsh even with filters .
I smoke basic lights and I can tell a huge difference in the basics , camels and the cowboy mans . I started with basic b/c they were one of the cheapest but now they are one of the highest

[Vikingdad]

Originally Posted by MobileMarine

Oh I got the right set up and materials to roll mine and i can punch out 15 or so a minute but if you dont have hair on your chest it will put it there , if you do it will take it off , they are harsh even with filters .
I smoke basic lights and I can tell a huge difference in the basics , camels and the cowboy mans . I started with basic b/c they were one of the cheapest but now they are one of the highest

Hmm. Well, you have always seemed like a tough guy to me---

[trip286]

If you find natural tobacco harsher than store bought smokes, you need to switch brands of tobacco. I was cranking out my own filtered cigarettes for nearly two years or more before I quit, and was hand rolling non filters for at least a year before that.

The taste, smell, and dependency are all much better with natural tobacco. And while tobacco is bad enough, the big manufacturers DO add even more chemicals to it. They use all kind of different stuff during growing, processing, and for preserving.

Of course, quitting it is the best thing, but if you'd like to try making your own again, and saving a freaking butt ton of money, I recommend "Largo Naturals". It comes in a golden brown bag with a picture of a cabin or something on it. In my opinion, it's by far the best cigarette tobacco for home rollers out there.

Side note: I have a cigarette machine I'll sell. It's just been sitting in a drawer because it cost $45. My sister's friend was supposed to take it, but she decided to quit about the same time I did.

[texaswoodworker]

Originally Posted by MobileMarine

Does it take over a certain function of your body or chemical ?
I know with pain meds and I was worried about the amount mom had to take when she here with us but they way they explained it to me was you brain can only produce a certain amount of its own pain killer . When you add synthetic or alternate pain kill it helps boost it but over time your brain will stop making its own , kinda like a liberal , why should it work when something else is doing it for you .
An alcoholic is bad off when they will drink rubbing alcohol or cologne even air freshener , dad saw it alot when he was a prison guard .

Hell most anything can be addicting , even certain gun forums
NOOOO Im not a adrenalin junkie

Don't quote me on this, but I think alcohol takes over certain chemicals that keeps your heart functioning. If you quit cold turkey, those chemicals are no longer keeping your heart going. This usually only happens to severe alcoholics.

Originally Posted by trip286

When I initially quit drinking, I went through about a week of hell. Shakes, pains, fever, diarrhea, vomiting, headaches, arrhythmia, blackouts, extreme irritability, confusion, insomnia, and probably some other problems I don't remember.

I wasn't even a hardcore alcoholic. I was drinking all the time, but rarely ever drunk. A buddy had a car breathalyzer, and we would play around with it. I rarely even got close to the legal limit, which I personally think is way too damn high and objective anyway.

Now, I can have a few drinks, and even occasionally tie one on, and not touch a drop for another six months. Right now it's been almost a month. I had my last drink when I realized I was sick. A while back, I got drunk and posted some crazy stuff here on the forum, I think that was around 4 months ago or so. Maybe a little less.

A lot of those are common side effects of quitting. I don't think you need to get drunk for alcohol to effect you. The fact that it is in you body almost constantly may be enough.

[winds-of-change]

Originally Posted by Cinderocka1989

Yeah if you're enough of an alcoholic, quitting on your own can be a very bad idea. I had a friend who drank constantly when he got home. He was getting help and for some reason his girlfriend decided she knew better than the nurses and people that were helping him. He said he thought he was going to die before she finally to him to the er...

Originally Posted by texaswoodworker

Alcohol is the only drug that can literaly kill you if you quit cold turkey. If your enough of an alcoholic, it could cause your body to go into cardiac arrest.

Yes, alcohol withdrawal can kill one who is addicted. Cinder, that guys girlfriend took a BIG RISK with his life.

Originally Posted by MobileMarine

Both docs told me my biggest recovery hurdle is smoking , dont know if I believe them or not.

Believe your doctor. My friend, Dave, who went to the Veterans hospital to withdraw from drinking eventually quit smoking a couple years after sobriety. One of the most profound things he's told me is it was much harder to quit smoking than drinking. And this guy was a severe alcoholic.

[MobileMarine]

Trip I think mine a TOP machine and I can buy 200 tubes for 3.00 and bag of tobaker for 15 for pipe '' very harsh '' or 25 for for the real kind '' taxes you know''
I dont really want to stop smoking at this point and until you want to it wont happen no matter the help you get .
Did I mention I have several hundred assorted Nicorete patches that spilled out of that rv ? If I do decide I want to I am prepared , God knows how much money I have sitting there , they are NOT cheap and these are the real deals

[JTJ]

I spoke to a friend who is contemplating shoulder surgery. He is going to start the Hyaluronic Acid. His sister works in the medical field and told him to hold off for 3 years if he can. Stem cells may be able to replace the cartilage without surgery. Researchers have been able to get around harvesting stem cells from fetuses so there is a lot less religious objection.

[orangello]

Originally Posted by MobileMarine

Did I mention I have several hundred assorted Nicorete patches that spilled out of that rv ? If I do decide I want to I am prepared , God knows how much money I have sitting there , they are NOT cheap and these are the real deals

Do NOT exceeed the recommended number of patches at a time. We had to send a client to the doctor from the office after she walked back in from a cigarette break; she was wearing two or three patches too.