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Re: two fuel engines- very early farm tractor ran on kerosene (always had kero around the farm) but had a small tank of gasoline for starting. When warmed up, switch fuels. This McCormich-Deering not only had split fuel system, but had water injection when the engine would start to knock under heavy load on Kerosene. Vintage pre WW 2.

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Re: Pony motors- from the days before big, reliable batteries. I have trammed a dozer a very short distance just using the pony motor (on level ground, and don't let Pop catch you doing that!)

And back in the day, this is what a REAL dozer looked like- cable lift Cat D7- with a 2 cylinder flathead pony motor. Start pony motor (usually by hand crank), release compression on diesel, throw clutch in between pony and diesel, spin up diesel, resume compression with fuel on- and AWAY we go! (Maybe)

http://images.ask.com/fr?q=dozer+pony+motor&locale=en_US&desturi=http%3A %2F%2Fwww.vannattabros.com%2Fdozer12.html&initialU RL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ask.com%2Fpictures%3Fqsrc%3D16 7%26o%3D15527%26l%3Ddis%26q%3Ddozer%2520pony%2520m otor%26prt%3DNIS%26chn%3Dretail%26geo%3DUS%26ver%3 D19&fm=i&ac=773&fsel=1&ftURI=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.a sk.com%2Ffr%3Fq%3Ddozer%2Bpony%2Bmotor%26desturi%3 Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vannattabros.com%252Fdozer 12.html%26imagesrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vannat tabros.com%252Fadospics%252Flnd72a.jpg%26thumbsrc% 3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia1.picsearch.com%252Fis%2 53FeZpmXoPzXw_-xso31nk9AC4tRkIjs-8e9c1e8BHVHBk%26o%3D15527%26l%3Ddis%26thumbuseloca lisedstatic%3Dfalse%26thumbwidth%3D128%26thumbheig ht%3D84%26fn%3Dlnd72a.jpg%26imagewidth%3D151%26ima geheight%3D100%26fs%3D7%26f%3D2%26fm%3Di%26fsel%3D 1%26ftbURI%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ask.com%252Fpi ctures%253Fq%253Ddozer%252Bpony%252Bmotor%2526page %253D1%2526o%253D15527%2526l%253Ddis%2526pstart%25 3D0%26locale%3Den_US&qt=0

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So I couldn't help but wonder this a couple of nights ago, after getting this recent email/comment, I've got to ask.

Is $300.00 asking to much for an 80gig ps3, 23 games and two controllers seriously asking to much? I mean I figured maybe $400.00 was a little much, so I lowered it. The total cost of all the games and system is close to $700.00 or more.....

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Re: two fuel engines- very early farm tractor ran on kerosene (always had kero around the farm) but had a small tank of gasoline for starting. When warmed up, switch fuels. This McCormich-Deering not only had split fuel system, but had water injection when the engine would start to knock under heavy load on Kerosene. Vintage pre WW 2.

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Re: Pony motors- from the days before big, reliable batteries. I have trammed a dozer a very short distance just using the pony motor (on level ground, and don't let Pop catch you doing that!)

And back in the day, this is what a REAL dozer looked like- cable lift Cat D7- with a 2 cylinder flathead pony motor. Start pony motor (usually by hand crank), release compression on diesel, throw clutch in between pony and diesel, spin up diesel, resume compression with fuel on- and AWAY we go! (Maybe)

http://images.ask.com/fr?q=dozer+pony+motor&locale=en_US&desturi=http%3A %2F%2Fwww.vannattabros.com%2Fdozer12.html&initialU RL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ask.com%2Fpictures%3Fqsrc%3D16 7%26o%3D15527%26l%3Ddis%26q%3Ddozer%2520pony%2520m otor%26prt%3DNIS%26chn%3Dretail%26geo%3DUS%26ver%3 D19&fm=i&ac=773&fsel=1&ftURI=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.a sk.com%2Ffr%3Fq%3Ddozer%2Bpony%2Bmotor%26desturi%3 Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vannattabros.com%252Fdozer 12.html%26imagesrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vannat tabros.com%252Fadospics%252Flnd72a.jpg%26thumbsrc% 3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia1.picsearch.com%252Fis%2 53FeZpmXoPzXw_-xso31nk9AC4tRkIjs-8e9c1e8BHVHBk%26o%3D15527%26l%3Ddis%26thumbuseloca lisedstatic%3Dfalse%26thumbwidth%3D128%26thumbheig ht%3D84%26fn%3Dlnd72a.jpg%26imagewidth%3D151%26ima geheight%3D100%26fs%3D7%26f%3D2%26fm%3Di%26fsel%3D 1%26ftbURI%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ask.com%252Fpi ctures%253Fq%253Ddozer%252Bpony%252Bmotor%2526page %253D1%2526o%253D15527%2526l%253Ddis%2526pstart%25 3D0%26locale%3Den_US&qt=0
When looking at that link, the pic at the very top right looks identical to my mom's dozer. Her's is hydraulic though. I'll browse her facebook page and see if I can find a picture of it.

Just got done looking, and for all the pics she has in and around her barn, not a single one with her dozer in it...
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A friend of mine got his hand caught in the fan when turning the valve of the gas pony motor off after starting the diesel engine. Did a number on his hand. Alcohol was involved.

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Re: two fuel engines- very early farm tractor ran on kerosene (always had kero around the farm) but had a small tank of gasoline for starting. When warmed up, switch fuels. This McCormich-Deering not only had split fuel system, but had water injection when the engine would start to knock under heavy load on Kerosene. Vintage pre WW 2.

Re: Pony motors- from the days before big, reliable batteries. I have trammed a dozer a very short distance just using the pony motor (on level ground, and don't let Pop catch you doing that!)

And back in the day, this is what a REAL dozer looked like- cable lift Cat D7- with a 2 cylinder flathead pony motor. Start pony motor (usually by hand crank), release compression on diesel, throw clutch in between pony and diesel, spin up diesel, resume compression with fuel on- and AWAY we go! (Maybe)

http://images.ask.com/fr?q=dozer+pony+motor&locale=en_US&desturi=http%3A %2F%2Fwww.vannattabros.com%2Fdozer12.html&initialU RL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ask.com%2Fpictures%3Fqsrc%3D16 7%26o%3D15527%26l%3Ddis%26q%3Ddozer%2520pony%2520m otor%26prt%3DNIS%26chn%3Dretail%26geo%3DUS%26ver%3 D19&fm=i&ac=773&fsel=1&ftURI=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.a sk.com%2Ffr%3Fq%3Ddozer%2Bpony%2Bmotor%26desturi%3 Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vannattabros.com%252Fdozer 12.html%26imagesrc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vannat tabros.com%252Fadospics%252Flnd72a.jpg%26thumbsrc% 3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmedia1.picsearch.com%252Fis%2 53FeZpmXoPzXw_-xso31nk9AC4tRkIjs-8e9c1e8BHVHBk%26o%3D15527%26l%3Ddis%26thumbuseloca lisedstatic%3Dfalse%26thumbwidth%3D128%26thumbheig ht%3D84%26fn%3Dlnd72a.jpg%26imagewidth%3D151%26ima geheight%3D100%26fs%3D7%26f%3D2%26fm%3Di%26fsel%3D 1%26ftbURI%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ask.com%252Fpi ctures%253Fq%253Ddozer%252Bpony%252Bmotor%2526page %253D1%2526o%253D15527%2526l%253Ddis%2526pstart%25 3D0%26locale%3Den_US&qt=0
Is that a 15-30? Because my father in law has a 10-20 that he restored a number of years ago and a 15-30 that needs a lot of love. He's having a lot of trouble finding anyone who knows how to work on them. The 15-30 has a bad magneto I think and trying to find parts are impossible or very expensive.
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^^^ You should PM Trez; he drives and works on derelict machinery regularly.

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My 70's Ford backhoe had a burner in the intake manifold, It would start a little fire in the manifold to heat the incoming air...
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How is it people go through their lives doing what is wrong? I mean in a sense that people tell them its wrong, they are hurting other people by doing it, and they still continue to do it wrong. I see this on a daily basis with family and coworkers, today there was at least a dozen examples witnessed by my eyes. I might sound anal or conceited, and right and wrong can be grey areas, but when people continually do wrong for whatever reason they try to justify it with, it just really irks me. Rant over, I feel better.

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How is it people go through their lives doing what is wrong? I mean in a sense that people tell them its wrong, they are hurting other people by doing it, and they still continue to do it wrong. I see this on a daily basis with family and coworkers, today there was at least a dozen examples witnessed by my eyes. I might sound anal or conceited, and right and wrong can be grey areas, but when people continually do wrong for whatever reason they try to justify it with, it just really irks me. Rant over, I feel better.
simple answer. some people are just rude and selfish and care nothing about other people's feelings.
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