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Old 02-06-2013, 12:01 AM   #1651
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As long as you keep the mongols apart from the angels
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Funny I dont seem to remember another company making all this.....







And I could go on.....

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I got a question... Why is it the Mauser became the standard of bolt actions? Why not the Enfield, Mosin or another rifle? (See, Im having a hard time even naming non-Mausers )

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A STOCK jeep has 1/4 ton suspension and and axles so yeah, you can't bolt 37s on and roll but neither can a fj cruiser, landcruiser, Toyota pick up, or any other 1/2 ton or smaller truck. So what do we do? We build them up to handle the abuse.... But a maintained stock wrangler is EASILY a 200k miles vehicle. My argument is that the WRANGLER, not a liberty or compass or any other suv, but a wrangler is the most capable off road mass produced vehicle on the market
I never said anything about modifying it at all. Stock I believe and have witnessed myself that anything produced by the Chrysler corporation has faulty suspensions and drive trains. I've seen Chrysler mini vans, that have not been abused, with under 100,000 miles with bad transmissions. I've seen a stock 93 Land Cruiser do things off road that a "built" Wrangler can't do.

To each his own, I'm just saying I wouldn't own one...
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I never said anything about modifying it at all. Stock I believe and have witnessed myself that anything produced by the Chrysler corporation has faulty suspensions and drive trains. I've seen Chrysler mini vans, that have not been abused, with under 100,000 miles with bad transmissions. I've seen a stock 93 Land Cruiser do things off road that a "built" Wrangler can't do.

To each his own, I'm just saying I wouldn't own one...
What, have heat n the winter? Lol
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What, have heat n the winter? Lol
Make it back down the mountain without being towed....
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I'm sorry too. That wranglers are the most capable factory optioned off road vehicle on the US auto market right now.... They're The only new vehicle under 3/4 ton with solid front axle 4wd, they're one of the few non-sports cars still available with manual transmissions (I HATE autos). The jeep community is more tightly connected than any other hobbiest group I've seen. Nothing better than jamming gears on a warm day with the top down, hit 5th and put your left foot out on the side step then wave to the passing jeep on the other side of the road. Always puts a smile on my face to come out of walmart and see a wrangler parked next to mine. And best of all, I love how people in town know where I live because I always park my jeep flexed out on something in the yard. When the 4.0 inline 6 came out in 87 it made more horse power and got better gas milage than the gm 5.3, the Chrysler 5.2, and the ford 5.0. What vehicle was carrying M1 garands we all love? Yes, the jeep.... The American legend.... The jeep is an icon
horsepower specs in comparison.

1987 Jeep 4.0 lt I-6 173 hp and 220 ft. lbs
1999 Chevy 5.3 lt V-8 275 hp and 325 ft. lbs. (+97 hp and +105 ft. lbs.)
1990 Ford 5.0 lt V-8 195 hp and 270 ft. lbs (+22 hp and +50 ft. lbs.)
1993 Dodge 5.2 lt V-8 230 hp and 300 ft. lbs. (+57 hp and +70 ft. lbs)

just curious as to where you came up with the fact that a 1987 4.0 liter I-6 had more horsepower than the engines you listed?

these figures were taken from MSN Autos and Ehow.com and all were truck engines to make the comparison more equal.
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horsepower specs in comparison.

1987 Jeep 4.0 lt I-6 173 hp and 220 ft. lbs
1999 Chevy 5.3 lt V-8 275 hp and 325 ft. lbs. (+97 hp and +105 ft. lbs.)
1990 Ford 5.0 lt V-8 195 hp and 270 ft. lbs (+22 hp and +50 ft. lbs.)
1993 Dodge 5.2 lt V-8 230 hp and 300 ft. lbs. (+57 hp and +70 ft. lbs)

just curious as to where you came up with the fact that a 1987 4.0 liter I-6 had more horsepower than the engines you listed?

these figures were taken from MSN Autos and Ehow.com and all were truck engines to make the comparison more equal.
I was wrong on the gm 5.3, it was their 305, not 327. This is copy and paste off wikipedia

The 1987 RENIX 4.0 made 173 hp (129 kW; 175 PS) and 220 lb·ft (300 N·m). In 1988, the 4.0 received higher flowing fuel injectors, raising output to 177 hp (132 kW; 179 PS) and 224 lb·ft (304 N·m)—more power than some configurations of the Ford 302, Chevrolet 305, and Chrysler 318 8-cylinder engines, and more than any of the Japanese 6-cylinder truck engines, but with comparable or superior fuel economy.[22]
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I had a 93 4.0 Cherokee and an 89 5.0 Chevy. Chevy got a. LOT better milage.

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I had a 93 4.0 Cherokee and an 89 5.0 Chevy. Chevy got a. LOT better milage.
I think it was comparing fuel economy to the Japanese V6 which honestly they get terrible fuel economy. But that want the point...
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