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Absolutely not. It is unpatriotic to do anything but salute the flag 29 90.63%
Yes if it is for reasons that are not to deface it. 1 3.13%
I don't know. I would have to do a case by case basis. 2 6.25%
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Old 02-26-2010, 06:18 PM   #1
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The flag, the stars and stripes that represents this wonderful country. Every detail has a reason, every stitch has a story and every star has a name. To me it is just as important as the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Holy Bible.

Over the decades it has changed to reflect changes in this country, however I have seen some pics on the net where someone has photoshopped the flag so it reflects a current event/problem. I have mixed feelings about this, but it made me think of something. How would you feel if someone altered a real flag so that one of the stripes was changed black or blue to reflect a fallen officer or yellow to show respect for the military?

I'm torn the act would in some ways reflect the patriotism of the fallen, however that is why we fly the flags at half mast. So why alter the flag to symbolize a loss when the simple act of its position can do the same?

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My feelings are that the Flag symbolizes freedom, sacrifice and our Country's history.

I've seen some of those variants that you speak of and while they're interesting, the original truly symbolizes it all.

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Well said Darrin I wish we had the same respect for the Union Jack. To most in this it is hardly a symbol at all "sad I Guess"

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Thank you for the replies. Although I have never served in the military, I hold the flag very near and dear. When I was in the Academy one of my jobs was the Flag detail. Everyday before the Academy I raised the flag and everyday after I lowered the flag and folded it. I can tell you that during those moments was when I was the most proud. To this very day it still raises the hair on my neck.

I can understand the thought behind wanting to personalize the flag so it shows your feelings of loss, but would you write over John 3:16 so it would reflect how you feel about your girlfriend, or alter the Bill of Rights so it shows the rights of being a member of the Moose Lodge?

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imo, not acceptable.

imo, that flag is a symbol of what my forefathers fought and died for. it symbolizes the spirit of freedom the country was built on.

there was no change in the flag for the nearly 1000 service members that died in Afghanistan so far, not to mention iraq, or ANY of the other wars before. these are the ppl that are fighting for our way of life. no matter what you think of the war or our reasons to be there, the fact is, no matter why were there, the vast majority of those fighting it signed up to defend our country and our freedoms. to change it for a fallen officer, imo, is a slap in the face to not only those who gave their life in defense of the country, but all who served, as im sure they knew, part of the deal was to be ready to give your life at any time.

and afa showing respect for the military, thats what the flag IS. (see above) i fly a flag to show my support to those who fight for it. altering it in any way would kind of defeat that purpose.

now, i can guess by your avatar that you are a leo, and before you get the idea that im anti leo, im not. i work a govt job, in the same building as the police. we also do all of the maintance and repair, as well as accessory installs in their vehicles. some of them are my best friends.

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i also want to add that im not tooting my own horn either.

i never served in the military.

i tried waaay back about a yr after i graduated high school, but was refused for medical reasons.

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You have some good points, but re-read the OP I mentioned changes for the Military. I am not for it or against it, at least so far that is how I feel. I am still up in the air about it.

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i addressed that in the 4th paragraph of my first reply.

i was addressing both scenarios separately.

i dont agree with it, but then again, there are a lot of things i see going on with the flag that i dont agree with,that i dont think are respectful (like the framing and displaying of tattered/torn old flags) . otoh, i have also seen displays that i though were very good and respectful, although, by definition of the flag code, they were no-no's. like flying a flag off the back of a vehicle, on the trailer hitch, in parades and such.

im not trying to sway your opinion, or look down on anyone elses, its just a strong subject for me. there are few subjects im very opinionated on, and this is one of them.

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The brave soldiers that die in service to their country do not wish to be shown respect by means of an alternate flag. They fought for the country that is represented by the flag of the United States of America, which is why it is given so much respect, not because of the fabric it is made of, but the freedom it stands for. Should I die in service, I want my wife to be handed the flag of the USA not an altered version.

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i addressed that in the 4th paragraph of my first reply.

i was addressing both scenarios separately.

i dont agree with it, but then again, there are a lot of things i see going on with the flag that i dont agree with,that i dont think are respectful (like the framing and displaying of tattered/torn old flags) . otoh, i have also seen displays that i though were very good and respectful, although, by definition of the flag code, they were no-no's. like flying a flag off the back of a vehicle, on the trailer hitch, in parades and such.

im not trying to sway your opinion, or look down on anyone elses, its just a strong subject for me. there are few subjects im very opinionated on, and this is one of them.
My opinion is not what matters here, I want to know yours. Thanks for posting it.

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I wish I could say that statement came from someone profound, I'm sure it would mean more, but it didn't I made it up. I think it is true though. Is for me.
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