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Old 03-02-2009, 09:58 PM   #11
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the REAL reason you don't see bumper stickers is that the cops are never there when 90% of the population needs them, but they're always there to write you a damn speeding ticket for driving 1 mph over on A1A.
If you were driving 1mph over the speed limit, you were breaking the law. Let's say that the posted speed limit sign is 75. That does not mean 76. There is a willful intent to break the law, regardless of whether you were traveling 76 or 120 mph. They were there doing their job. Get angry at yourself for breaking the law, not the police for upholding it.
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Being a police officer is a very thankless job. I found this article written by Henry P. Henson, retired Chief of the Norfolk, Virginia, Police Department, and it sums it up pretty well.

Police officers work in situations that most people never experience. They provide 24-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week protection for their communities. They may work all night, then wait in court all day. Or, they may work all night, when most people sleep, then come home to their families getting ready to start their day. Or, they may work all night, trying to stay awake when things are calm, yet be alert to suddenly respond to a robbery or homicide and handle it properly. Or, they may work all night, aware of the resulting fatigue and poor health that comes from unnatural sleep patterns. Or, worst of all, they may work all night knowing that their families never may see them alive again. Oh, yes, many people work a night shift, but do they face the same situations as police officers?

At times, an officer may be physically tired from trying to subdue a person who will not submit to arrest, from chasing a suspect on foot, from swimming in a cold polluted river to rescue citizens from drowning after their car crashed, from leaning over a ledge on a building high above the ground holding onto a person who was trying to jump off, or from any number of other physical situations that might occur and which most people never experience. These represent only some of the situations that police officers find themselves in at any time. There are many others. How about sitting down to eat lunch, but immediately having to leave it to respond to an urgent call? How about working and not knowing what danger may occur on the next call? How about getting shot at, seeing the bright glint of a knife blade in a subject's hand, being attacked by a crazed drug addict, or facing an attacker who is mentally ill? And, what about that' "loose nut" behind the steering wheel of a car? Who's going to stop him? If you'r e a police officer, it's YOU! You who joined the police department because you cared about other people. You who went through 28 weeks of extensive training--8 hours a day, 40 hours a week--involving the knowledge of criminal laws, ethics, firearms training, defensive tactics, and physical training, 7 long months of training. You who got on-the-job training by working with an experienced officer for 2 or 3 months or until your supervisors believed that you were capable of working alone. You who faced probation for at least a year from the time you were sworn in as a police officer. You who, through it all, prided yourself on becoming the best officer that you could and to always perform your job in the proper manner.

Some citizens understand what the police officer has to contend with. Most, however, only have a general idea of what a police officer does, but no idea of the details of the job or of what it takes to become a "cop." As a police officer, you need a thorough knowledge of rules and procedures concerning the power of arrest, search and seizure, probable cause, and the use of force. You must know the proper procedures for transporting prisoners; be aware of any safety concerns to yourself and others; be able to detect potential evidence at a crime scene; know the proper procedures for collecting and preserving that evidence; have the ability to write clear, concise, and detailed reports; be able to follow correct radio-transmitting procedures; and be alert to all radio transmissions. You must be familiar with street names, with businesses and their hours, and anything that may be out of the ordinary. You must drive safely and be conscious of all types of road conditions. You need the ability to interrogate and i nterview people effectively and efficiently to get as much information as possible. You must apply discretion in using police powers, answering alarms, investigating traffic accidents, responding to and handling suicide and hostage situations, and giving aid to victims and offenders. You must know how to testify in court and how to operate computers. You must know all of this, and more, to fulfill the many roles that you will play during the course of your career. These roles include those of a lawyer, a doctor, a counselor, a social worker, a security specialist, a mediator, and a negotiator.

You will work all hours of the day and night, on your wedding anniversary, on Christmas, and on the day your kid stars in the kindergarten play. When you hear explosions, gunshots, or screams, you must run toward them, not away. You must love children, even those shooting at you. You have to be able to separate a knife-wielding husband from his pistol-wielding wife, without injury to anyone. When you arrest one, the other person jumps on your back. People curse you; you can't curse back. People hate you; you can't hate back. You can never lose your temper. You have to solve major crimes in a day or you're not doing your job. If you stop for 5 minutes, you're goofing off. If you accept a cup of coffee, you're on the take. In a hostage situation, if you shoot the hostage taker, you're a killer. If you don't shoot him, but continue talking to him and someone is injured or killed, then you're indecisive and stupid. You're unpopular, all of the time, every hour of every day, until someone needs you.

No other job in America is so complex as that of a law enforcement officer. It will continue to be so. That is why we in the profession must make sure that we hire only the best people, keep only the best people, and promote only the best people. We must commend those officers who strive daily to uphold the high ideals of the profession and attempt to garner support from our communities to value the brave men and women who have dedicated themselves to serving others. In short, let us reverse the mind-set of those people who hold that officers are unappreciated until they're dead; then, they get a parade.

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Good article Dan, Thanks this is heading more in the direction that I had intended. A thank you to the men and women in law enforcement.

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Bovice, everyone is entitled to their own opinion (1st amendment), and i'm sure at some younger more angry point in my life i shared yours or at least most of it. That said, i'm pushing 40 now and have met some seriously scummy and scary people and some almost completely defenseless people; i'm glad there are cops out there to keep the truly scary & truly scummy away from the almost completely defenseless. If i had to read about some decrepit old lady getting beaten senseless for her retirement check as often as that kind of thing would happen without any cops, i would have a really hard time enjoying my buzz. Yes, by the way, i do firmly believe in the deterrent effect of a police presence; i can't tell you how many times i've changed my route due to the likelihood of a roadblock at some spot favored by the local police or sheriff.

GENERALLY (aka mostly & hopefully to the best of their abilities) the police keep my lil corner of the world safe enough for getting busted for smokin the weed to be one of my bigger worries, as opposed to getting mugged for my weed or having to shoot some idiot for trying to steal my collection of handblown glass weed pipes or molest my cat. The occasional N00B who writes you an erroneous traffic citation is probably not out-to-get-you; stupid mistakes happen, that is what traffic court is for.

They do screw up & some fabulously so (granny killers, etc.), but overall, we are better off worrying about them than those they keep in check. OVERALL.

You will probably feel differently later.

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trust me i did some police work myself and there are always people out there who thinks they can do your job better then you can.

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vigilantes can be worse then the criminal themselves, cause youll have people kill you for simple crimes like jay walking.

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What are you 12? Why don't you go ahead and tell the families of the police that died in the line of duty how worthless they are. There many men and women who don't come home doing their jobs, and you sit there calling them worthless. Vigilante justice has never been a good thing. Charles Bronson is an actor telling a fictional story. The dedication of those officers that are prepared to die for your safety is not. Keep your mouth shut before betraying your ignorance.

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the REAL reason you don't see bumper stickers is that the cops are never there when 90% of the population needs them, but they're always there to write you a damn speeding ticket for driving 1 mph over on A1A.

Please. The cops are a fuggin' joke. Let's say someone breaks in my house, trying to kill me. I call the police. 3 min later I've got a bullet in my head and here comes Buford T. Justice, drawing a chalk outline around my body. No thank you. Don't need em and don't want em.
Stand down Bovice, I don't need to hear that dribble on the FTF!
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You need to start getting the paper and read the police log. I don't know where you get your assumptions and suggestions about what police really do. But seriously, get your head out of your ass and realize that police are for the safety of the general population. Yes, some are lazy, some use too much force, and some love giving speeding tickets. Those are the guys you always hear about on the news. You almost NEVER hear about police officers breaking up a domestic, or arresting drug dealers, or gang members. Its because it happens every day and is expected of good police officers.

You should be happy the USA has the police force it does. Did you know in Russia, police can pull you over just because they had hunch? They don't need PC, and don't have nearly as strict laws governing police officers.

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I'm not targeting individuals, im targeting your coveted police system as a whole. it sucks. you cannot deny that. Read my last post, #20, and think about it very carefully.

The Charles Bronson part was sarcasm. Sorry you missed the memo.
Oh, I got it. I understand exactly what you are saying. That you are upset with an institution for doing what they are supposed to do. You are irritated because they won't look the other way at your indiscretions and they won't nail other people to the wall. A crime is a crime no matter how small. What makes you so special that you are allowed to breach the law and get away with it but others should hang? Also if vigilante justice is such a great idea, why is it still not in place as the ruling institution?
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