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Old 12-08-2012, 01:09 PM   #31
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Liberal science? Maybe, but it beats no science at all.
Wow!!

So, if it's not your liberal version of "science", then it is not considered science at all...
How completely closed minded and political.
And uneducated.

Saying this with several technical degrees and decades in a scientific career.
But --- wait... it means nothing ... because "Liberal science" takes precedence - according to these great thinkers.

And Al Gore must be ordering up some sort of disclaimer explanation for the Mars ice caps thing. I'm certain he can do it. He can explain away anything he comes across.
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How many people here ( religion set aside and not figured in) believe that every single thing on this planet has a beginning and an end?

I don't believe in a definite beginning and end for every single thing. Just as an example, the longevity of the age of the dinosaurs was brought up. Okay, that's great, but there were 3-4 major "ages" (the number depends on who you ask, it seems), and each age had "smaller" extinction events throughout. Even still, we have survivors of the dinosaur age to this day. Hmmm.... Yep, obviously not a definite end there. Hell, some of us wear dinodescendents as boots, and I would love to have a pair...

To think that we, as human beings, being the only species in the history of the world able to think abstractly and reason as far as we know, would die off is just silly. I do wonder if we will be the same 1000 years from now as we are now. Personally, I'm very intrigued by genetic engineering and cybernetics. "Old Man's War" got me really interested in the possibilities (John Scalzi I believe, great book).
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Imo if we already know everything has a beginning and an end and even with every scientific breakthrough or miracle from god ever known to man has found a way to stop this then it is inevitable. One day, everything we see around us will cease to exist, including civilization. So I try to live my life like there is no tomorrow and don't worry about the trivial things. Would I like to know when and how things are gonna end? When my time will be to " kick the bucket" so to speak. Not really. Honestly I don't want to know when or how I'm gonna die. I want to keep on living like I am til that time comes.

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Wow!!

So, if it's not your liberal version of "science", then it is not considered science at all...
How completely closed minded and political.
And uneducated.

Saying this with several technical degrees and decades in a scientific career.
But --- wait... it means nothing ... because "Liberal science" takes precedence - according to these great thinkers.

And Al Gore must be ordering up some sort of disclaimer explanation for the Mars ice caps thing. I'm certain he can do it. He can explain away anything he comes across.
You nailed it. An undergraduate and a masters degree, along with independent research, I feel that arguing against emotion is rather pointless. If a qualified person wants to compare numbers and have a substantive debate, I am ready. If you want to quote politicians and what you read in the New York times, we aren't going to get very far. It is like when I try to tell a religious friend or family member that the earth is billions of years old, all they have to say is "no the bible says..." and in their mind, the argument is over.
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[QUOTE="trip286;1043985"]

I don't believe in a definite beginning and end for every single thing. Just as an example, the longevity of the age of the dinosaurs was brought up. Okay, that's great, but there were 3-4 major "ages" (the number depends on who you ask, it seems), and each age had "smaller" extinction events throughout. Even still, we have survivors of the dinosaur age to this day. Hmmm.... Yep, obviously not a definite end there. Hell, some of us wear dinodescendents as boots, and I would love to have a pair...

To think that we, as human beings, being the only species in the history of the world able to think abstractly and reason as far as we know, would die off is just silly.

The dinosaurs are gone. Yes there may be "descendents" left but they are not actual dinosaurs. You said there was extinction events so in order for it to be an extinction, the entire species had to be wiped out. That's what extinction is. They cease to be here and are no more. Now I'm not saying that after civilization there will be nothing at all. There is no way to know what will be around when we are gone. But I do believe there will be an end, just as there was a beginning.

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Please keep politics religion and conspiracy in the appropriate sunforums.

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