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Old 10-04-2013, 07:08 AM   #1101
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My original problem was with something in a completely different thread. But since we apparently have a much larger amount of media worshipping sheeple on this forum than I realized, and some of them have apparently decided to follow me here, let me present the cold hard facts.

And this isn't information from the police world. It's from a third party organization with a mission to gather data on the scope of the problem of police misconduct so that it can be better addressed.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics stated that there were 794,300 sworn law enforcement officers in the US in 2010.

The National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project stated that in 2010 6,613 sworn law enforcement officers were involved in alleged misconduct in the year 2010.

That's 0.8%. And those statistics do not reflect how many out of the 6,613 officers listed in the report actually committed the misconduct, and how many were falsely accused.

That's the reality. Like it or not. Its a drop in the bucket. And now I'm done. Believe what you want, I'm proud of the amazing people I work with. And I'm posting this same information in the other thread. But it doesn't matter because I'm done with this topic on both threads. Have fun sheeple! I'm sure you'll find a way to explain away the facts. After all, everyone knows cops are all crooked. We saw it on TV so it must be true!

Just like Y2K. Keep drinking the kool aid.

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1) The little insult you threw out there at the beginning of your post was uncalled for.

2) No one here in this thread is saying that the majority of cops are bad. You don't seem to be getting that even know it was spelled out for you several times.

3) 6613 cases of alleged misconduct is still a lot, and it likely does not account for any of the misconduct that is never reported. (and you KNOW there is some. Exactly how much is unknown, but there IS some.)

I think that the vast majority of LEOs are good people. I do not think that all LEOs are good, and never will. There will always be a small portion of them that make the rest look bad.
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1) The little insult you threw out there at the beginning of your post was uncalled for. 2) No one here in this thread is saying that the majority of cops are bad. You don't seem to be getting that even know it was spelled out for you several times. 3) 6613 cases of alleged misconduct is still a lot, and it likely does not account for any of the misconduct that is never reported. (and you KNOW there is some. Exactly how much is unknown, but there IS some.) I think that the vast majority of LEOs are good people. I do not think that all LEOs are good, and never will. There will always be a small portion of them that make the rest look bad.
I have the utmost respect for my brothers on the street, but it is disheartening to see more and more videos of police harassment of the "Overpasses" for impeachment movement, and those who exercise their 2A rights. And Woodworker is right, 6613 cases does seem significant.

I understand your frustration Delta, I really do. As a Federal Correctional Officer, I work the crappiest beat out there, I would argue that at times it is more dangerous than on the streets, and it is compounded by the fact that the public doesn't always appreciate what we have to deal with inside the fence; and having the stigma of being an "overpaid" government employee. We are frequently alone in an inmate housing unit, supervising upward of 140 convicted felons, with nothing but a pair of handcuffs, keys, and a radio with a panic button on it. If SHTF you can pretty much only pray that someone will get there in enough time. And there is plenty of misconduct to go around in my department. In the almost 6 years I've been on the job, I've seen at least 20 people escorted out for code of conduct violations, just in my prison. At least 6 of those were dirty staff who were brining in drugs and other contraband, or having sexual relationships with inmates. I know I low balled my numbers, but those were what I could remember off the top of my head. I don't like being painted with a broad brush any more than you do, but you kinda went overkill on some of your reactions to what people are posting.
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People who sign up for this forum just so they can troll post as many times as they can before they are banned. Grow up.

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My pet peeve is when a thread gets hijacked to a topic that is just stirring the pot. People will think what they want to think. I'd give my opinion but it'd piss somebody off. So I feel we need to get this thread back on topic

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2. Overbearing safety procedures/policies that actually make things unsafe by stealing your attention away from what you should be doing
3. Double work, especially double paperwork.

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1) The little insult you threw out there at the beginning of your post was uncalled for.
Wasn't directed at you. I do realize it looked like it was, but I hadn't even read your post when I posted mine. I apologize.

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2) No one here in this thread is saying that the majority of cops are bad. You don't seem to be getting that even know it was spelled out for you several times.
Again for the most part I was not addressing the arguments brought forth on this thread.

As to your other points, I already stated I was done. The facts are the facts. However, since you were polite and your points were very logical, and since I feel bad that my post was up almost directly after yours and it looked like I was referring to you as a media worshipping sheeple, I will respond to them.

Most of the complaints that I've ever been involved in (including ones that the news reported as facts) turned out to be lies. Thankfully none have been filed on me. I have however had to arrest one of my coworkers and been involved in the arrest of a couple others over the years. So I am not disillusioned about the the issue. I know it happens, but its not as widespread as people make it seem. And I don't feel that 0.8% is a lot. It certainly isn't the majority of us, its not even a large minority.

Especially considering that on average only 12% of alleged police misconduct ever results in an arrest and conviction. So of the app. 6600 misconducts reported only about 790 of them will be found guilty. That's about 0.01% of all police officers.

The guys that genuinely messed up in the investigations I was involved in actually turned themselves in and pled guilty. All but 1 were great guys who just let job and family pressure get to them. None of them fit the profile that most would consider a crooked cop.
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Nobody said anything.....about Glocks until you posted about your bacon dog who needs dentures.

What did somebody forget to engage their safety and shoot the dogs front teeth out? Or are we blaming that on the Glock shooters?

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I have the utmost respect for my brothers on the street, but it is disheartening to see more and more videos of police harassment of the "Overpasses" for impeachment movement, and those who exercise their 2A rights. And Woodworker is right, 6613 cases does seem significant.

I understand your frustration Delta, I really do. As a Federal Correctional Officer, I work the crappiest beat out there, I would argue that at times it is more dangerous than on the streets, and it is compounded by the fact that the public doesn't always appreciate what we have to deal with inside the fence; and having the stigma of being an "overpaid" government employee. We are frequently alone in an inmate housing unit, supervising upward of 140 convicted felons, with nothing but a pair of handcuffs, keys, and a radio with a panic button on it. If SHTF you can pretty much only pray that someone will get there in enough time. And there is plenty of misconduct to go around in my department. In the almost 6 years I've been on the job, I've seen at least 20 people escorted out for code of conduct violations, just in my prison. At least 6 of those were dirty staff who were brining in drugs and other contraband, or having sexual relationships with inmates. I know I low balled my numbers, but those were what I could remember off the top of my head. I don't like being painted with a broad brush any more than you do, but you kinda went overkill on some of your reactions to what people are posting.
Yeah most of the guys that get messed up with our office get messed up working in the prisons too. Spending all day around criminals does nothing to help your morals that's for sure. I'd be willing to bet y'all's problems with federal agents outside of the prison isn't anywhere near as bad.

It takes a special breed to make a career out of corrections. More drama happens from dealing with the administrators than from dealing with the criminals. I could never do it. I was stuck in a jail for 2 years straight and I wanted to slam my head through a wall every day.

My reaction was more to the other thread than the people who followed me here. I posted an almost identical post on each. The one over there resulted in the troll deflecting from the issue and doing nothing but name calling because he didnt like that the facts disputed his ignorant statement that all cops (except for apparently JimRau?) are crooked.

Also, I'm currently on about 4 different pain meds due to a wreck I was in that jacked up my back really bad. And one of my friends will be going up on the police memorial wall this year. So yeah I got a little upset when I started reading all the BS about crooked cops and how safe our job is. I managed to get these posts in before the pain meds kicked in again and my blood pressure skyrockets. Hopefully they are a little more coherent than the previous ones. ;-)

Edit: OH! And it looks like the Mods deleted the majority of the little trolls comments!!! Glad I quoted him as LITTLE as possible.

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Nobody said anything.....about Glocks until you posted about your bacon dog who needs dentures.

What did somebody forget to engage their safety and shoot the dogs front teeth out? Or are we blaming that on the Glock shooters?

"Gaston, the Doggy dentist's best friend."

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WHAT? that's just beyond stupid! i hope he continues wearing his uniform and gun when picking up his kid!
They backpedaled pretty hard after the officer posted on Facebook. Now he's being invited back, in uniform, armed, to speak to the kids about what police do for them. He's also been asked by his supervisor to decline further comments on the subject.
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