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sculker 11-20-2008 06:25 AM

Opposition to deer hunting with handguns can't agree on why it's wrong
 
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Opposition to deer hunting with handguns can't agree on why it's wrong

A change in deer hunting laws in Delaware, providing more opportunities for the use of handguns, has (predictably) drawn some criticism. Amusingly, though, not only does the criticism not agree with facts and logic, it doesn't even agree with itself.

On the one hand, we have Scott Vogel, of the outrageously misnamed "Freedom States Alliance," who argues that handguns used for deer hunting are "too powerful."

The Freedom States Alliance is a national nonprofit organization that is dedicated to reducing gun-related deaths and injuries through public awareness campaigns. According to the FSA Web site, .50 caliber guns have effective ranges up to 2,000 yards, or 20 football fields laid end to end. Deer hunters typically shoot at ranges of 150-200 yards.

.50 caliber rifles can be effective at that range (in the hands of an extremely skilled shooter), but a .50 caliber handgun (like the .500 S&W Magnum) could be fired all day (assuming the shooter's ability to sustain that kind of recoil, and his wallet's ability to sustain the ammo costs, permitted it) without the intended target ever noticing he was being fired at. By the way, Delaware law does not require that deer-hunting handguns be of .50 caliber--and most hunters who choose to take the opportunities offered by this rule change will probably not go out and buy one.

"We don't support this change," said Scott Vogel, communications director of FSA. "A .50-caliber handgun can easily puncture a police officer's vest."

Probably--but no more easily than any deer rifle (and probably less easily than most deer rifle cartridges). Besides, do Delaware police have a habit of disguising themselves as deer during hunting season--why is a hunting gun's ability to defeat body armor even an issue?

On the other hand, we get the argument that handguns are not powerful enough to hunt deer.

The Humane Society of the United States worries not only about the safety of the hunter but of the deer. The group worries that deer shot by handguns would suffer needlessly.

"If the hunters were truly interested in a quick and painless death for the deer, they would not use a handgun," said Casey Pheiffer, campaign manager of the Wildlife Abuse Campaign for the Humane Society.

Granted, the range at which a deer can be humanely taken is probably less, in most cases, with a handgun than with a rifle. Within that range, though, with adequate care on the part of the hunter, a powerful handgun is quite up to the task of ethical deer hunting, and will probably in most cases kill a deer more quickly than can generally be done with bow and arrow. Besides, my guess is that being torn about by wolves or a mountain lion is probably less than pleasant, too--that's one of the downsides of being helpless prey.

"Helpless prey," by the way, is exactly what citizen disarmament advocacy groups like the Freedom States Alliance would like to make us.

http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/2008/11/opposition-to-deer-hunting-with.html

Benning Boy 11-20-2008 02:22 PM

I no longer hunt, but I would imagine that hunting with a handgun would require immense stalking skill, and would more often favor the deer.

Sounds to me like they just don't want to admit that handguns are legitimate.

gocritter 11-20-2008 03:40 PM

Handgun hunting
 
at my advanced age (over 70) and having hunted deer with revolvers for over 25 yrs I feel as though I am able to make an informed statement. Most of these anti statments are just coastal babble by yuppys with NO informed or practical knowledge. I have taken deer with revolvers from 15yds to 127yds all with ONE shot. I use revolvers with open sights, aimpoint, and 2 power scope, so all of those babbling coastal yuppys can bring it on.The deer season starts in two days in this state boys guess I better take a nap to get ready

cpttango30 11-20-2008 08:49 PM

Got a buddy that just took a nice 6 point at 244 yards with his pistol.

It is a Rem xp-100 in 260 Rem.

Fayettedave 11-20-2008 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Benning Boy (Post 51580)
I no longer hunt, but I would imagine that hunting with a handgun would require immense stalking skill, and would more often favor the deer.

Sounds to me like they just don't want to admit that handguns are legitimate.

+1 on both points!

Slickrick214 11-21-2008 06:03 AM

These people are so stupid its actually funny. I guess thats what happens when you live in a Commie state run by libtards like Biden. Delaware is just another state along with NJ, California, Oregon, Mass, and Washington state that I wish would just sink in the ocean.

sgtdeath66 11-21-2008 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sculker (Post 51559)
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Opposition to deer hunting with handguns can't agree on why it's wrong

A change in deer hunting laws in Delaware, providing more opportunities for the use of handguns, has (predictably) drawn some criticism. Amusingly, though, not only does the criticism not agree with facts and logic, it doesn't even agree with itself.

On the one hand, we have Scott Vogel, of the outrageously misnamed "Freedom States Alliance," who argues that handguns used for deer hunting are "too powerful."

The Freedom States Alliance is a national nonprofit organization that is dedicated to reducing gun-related deaths and injuries through public awareness campaigns. According to the FSA Web site, .50 caliber guns have effective ranges up to 2,000 yards, or 20 football fields laid end to end. Deer hunters typically shoot at ranges of 150-200 yards.

.50 caliber rifles can be effective at that range (in the hands of an extremely skilled shooter), but a .50 caliber handgun (like the .500 S&W Magnum) could be fired all day (assuming the shooter's ability to sustain that kind of recoil, and his wallet's ability to sustain the ammo costs, permitted it) without the intended target ever noticing he was being fired at. By the way, Delaware law does not require that deer-hunting handguns be of .50 caliber--and most hunters who choose to take the opportunities offered by this rule change will probably not go out and buy one.

"We don't support this change," said Scott Vogel, communications director of FSA. "A .50-caliber handgun can easily puncture a police officer's vest."

Probably--but no more easily than any deer rifle (and probably less easily than most deer rifle cartridges). Besides, do Delaware police have a habit of disguising themselves as deer during hunting season--why is a hunting gun's ability to defeat body armor even an issue?

On the other hand, we get the argument that handguns are not powerful enough to hunt deer.

The Humane Society of the United States worries not only about the safety of the hunter but of the deer. The group worries that deer shot by handguns would suffer needlessly.

"If the hunters were truly interested in a quick and painless death for the deer, they would not use a handgun," said Casey Pheiffer, campaign manager of the Wildlife Abuse Campaign for the Humane Society.

Granted, the range at which a deer can be humanely taken is probably less, in most cases, with a handgun than with a rifle. Within that range, though, with adequate care on the part of the hunter, a powerful handgun is quite up to the task of ethical deer hunting, and will probably in most cases kill a deer more quickly than can generally be done with bow and arrow. Besides, my guess is that being torn about by wolves or a mountain lion is probably less than pleasant, too--that's one of the downsides of being helpless prey.

"Helpless prey," by the way, is exactly what citizen disarmament advocacy groups like the Freedom States Alliance would like to make us.

http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/2008/11/opposition-to-deer-hunting-with.html

they just want a reason to outlaw certain firearms and they will do and say whatever they can to acheive this, and the bit about it being able to defeat body armor is just liberal mumbo jumbo trying to use law enforcments safety to ban a great cartridge that was designed for hunting into something a gangbanger would use. as if your going to see a thug toting around a four pound reolver in his already baggy pants

Wenonah 01-21-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtdeath66 (Post 51742)
they just want a reason to outlaw certain firearms and they will do and say whatever they can to acheive this, and the bit about it being able to defeat body armor is just liberal mumbo jumbo trying to use law enforcments safety to ban a great cartridge that was designed for hunting into something a gangbanger would use. as if your going to see a thug toting around a four pound reolver in his already baggy pants

I would like to see the aftermath behind the revolver of some gangbanger trying to shoot a .500 in the sideways, gangster style. Might as well have those broken tooth stubs crowned with gold... wait, did that already happen?

Benning Boy 01-21-2011 08:26 PM

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