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Old 03-01-2012, 11:07 AM   #21
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I carry my keltek P11 9mm usally, but i ALWAYS carry my 380LCP. All gun forums debate the usefullness or stopping power of the 380. It is not practical for me to carry a 1911, for several reasons. I have complete confidence in smaller caliber weapons.
Prayers going out to the people involved in this shooting!
I agree with the 380 next time someone says they do t have power tell them well if it aint much let me shoot you in the thigh bet ya they change there mind realllllll quick lol
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I think the problem starts with society and ultimately some laws that are in place. Most of today's parents were disciplined with spankings and switches. However, by the time they grew up and had kids of their own, society decided it was child abuse to spank your kids, scaring the now grown up kids to punish their children with other means (time outs, groundings, etc.) This results in their children believing they can do wrong, and believing that the entire world should bow at their feet, their parents did didn't they? We all know everyone cannot bow to everyone, so fights break out. But the teachers will not let them fight it out, box, or wrestle to release their anger, instead the child is left with pent up anger. Then the child turns to a much more dangerous means to solve his/her problem. The child's parents have never taught him/her the value of life and the danger of the firearm, and the parents are too blind to see the danger this enraged child poses to himself and others. They assume their loose and friendly parenting style will stop the child from making a quick and stupid decision. They think that being their child's friend helps them to talk to the child because they are his friend. Unfortunately this isn't how it works, the child sees the parent as a free pass to do whatever they want and get away with it. They've been doing it all their lives. So ultimately it is the parents fault for being so immature to think that their child will think like an adult and resolve issues in a nondestructive manner without being disciplined and taught how to do this. So now the child kills his classmates and society blames it on the easy and obvious scape goats, bullying, guns, the list goes on and on. They refuse to believe that the parents and the entire society has kept the child from learning how to deal with problems by denying parents and administrators the ability to properly discipline a child when he is wrong. So the shooting is ultimately the shooter's fault because he pulled the trigger, but his parents allowed him to slip away by lack of discipline until he makes up his own rules, which are inevitably, wrong.

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Old 12-31-2012, 02:00 PM   #24
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I am also of the opinion that firearms should be secured in a safe. This will prevent theft and the guns ending up in the hands of someone who is irresponsible, incompetent or has bad intentions, and doing harm with it. I have lots of firearms, both rifles and handguns and lots of ammo for all of them, and I don't have a problem with keeping all of it in a safe. Here we go, let the bashing begin.
SCENE: Late at night you are in bed, and your hear a window breaking. You manage to see through your bedroom door a perpetrator that is armed with a revolver of some sort.

Victim: (gets out of bed in the dark, stumbles on some dirty clothes in floor) *don't remember leaving those there* (walks towards desk where safe key is).

Robber: Get out here now or I will start shooting!

Victim: (crosses hands as in a timeout motion) TIMEOUT! I have to unlock my gunsafe to get the gun out so I can shoot you with it for breaking into my house.

Robber: Oh! Okay, I will give you three minutes to get your gun, and make sure it is ready for me, do you mind if I have a soda from the fridge.

Victim: Sure thing, since you are being such a sport and all. Just don't drink the diet ones, they are for the wife.

Robber: Sure thing!

End Scene.

Reality, if all your guns are locked up, you aren't going to have time for that and it WILL NOT go down like the above scenario.
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SCENE: Late at night you are in bed, and your hear a window breaking. You manage to see through your bedroom door a perpetrator that is armed with a revolver of some sort.

Victim: (gets out of bed in the dark, stumbles on some dirty clothes in floor) *don't remember leaving those there* (walks towards desk where safe key is).

Robber: Get out here now or I will start shooting!

Victim: (crosses hands as in a timeout motion) TIMEOUT! I have to unlock my gunsafe to get the gun out so I can shoot you with it for breaking into my house.

Robber: Oh! Okay, I will give you three minutes to get your gun, and make sure it is ready for me, do you mind if I have a soda from the fridge.

Victim: Sure thing, since you are being such a sport and all. Just don't drink the diet ones, they are for the wife.

Robber: Sure thing!

End Scene.

Reality, if all your guns are locked up, you aren't going to have time for that and it WILL NOT go down like the above scenario.
I have a safe bolted to the floor by my bed. It has 4 electronic buttons, and I can get it open in the dark in half a second. This is the one I have. http://www.gunvault.com/gv2000c-std.html

It uses an AC power supply with battery backup. There's also a key as a last resort.
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SCENE: Late at night you are in bed, and your hear a window breaking. You manage to see through your bedroom door a perpetrator that is armed with a revolver of some sort.

Victim: (gets out of bed in the dark, stumbles on some dirty clothes in floor) *don't remember leaving those there* (walks towards desk where safe key is).

Robber: Get out here now or I will start shooting!

Victim: (crosses hands as in a timeout motion) TIMEOUT! I have to unlock my gunsafe to get the gun out so I can shoot you with it for breaking into my house.

Robber: Oh! Okay, I will give you three minutes to get your gun, and make sure it is ready for me, do you mind if I have a soda from the fridge.

Victim: Sure thing, since you are being such a sport and all. Just don't drink the diet ones, they are for the wife.

Robber: Sure thing!

End Scene.

Reality, if all your guns are locked up, you aren't going to have time for that and it WILL NOT go down like the above scenario.
It only takes a few seconds and no need to get out of the bed.

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Unfortunately I also had one of those safes, but could not bolt to floor because it was a rent house and one of my stepson's friends stole safe and pistols. The beginning of this thread is all to real I see young adults like the stepson and company and it is scary. They have no work ethic, take what ever drug is current and have no respect for authority or life. Lesson learned the hard way, everything is locked in rifle safe except the one I carry. The problem I see is a lot of kids grow up with absent fathers. I came in the picture when he was19 and already set for destruction and his father was never in the picture just sad.

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