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Old 03-27-2012, 04:50 AM   #1
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So, if you buy a gun that is 50 years old or older, with no serial number on the receiver, is it considered a firearm by the BATF? Or is it a Curio or Relic?

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Old 03-27-2012, 05:25 AM   #2
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I should qualify this. Today I purchased a Savage Model 24 .22 rimfire over a .410 under. It was made in 1956 (as evidenced my the date stamp of 'H') . Still have to do the DROS and wait 10 days to take possession.

Anyhow, this is a really fine gun in a configuration that many do not appreciate. I got it for half of what it is worth. While waiting for the paperwork I had two guys mention that they had one at home and would never sell it. The guy doing the DROS said he would have listed it at much more than what we bought it for.

My youngest son was the one who saw it yesterday at the LGS. Another guy was looking at it and my son took note of it. He has great instincts.

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I almost picked one up from a pawn shop near me until I saw the $600.00 price tag! I believe the answer to your question is yes to both but I have been known to be wrong on more than one occasion.

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I'd call it a curio or relic. What would the ATF call it? With our current administration they are as likely as not to call it an assault weapon.

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To be c&r it has to actually be on the federal c&r list just being old isnt enough by itself.

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Curio & Relic is defined as any firearm in the origination configuration that is 50 years old or older, OR- is on the list published by BATFE (all Colt Woodsman pistols, regardless of age) OR the curator of a museum has applied to the BATFE and they have decided that THAT firearm is a C&R. Any ONE of the 3 makes it C&R.

To be an antique, it must have been made prior to 1899, OR use loose powder and ball, and not be readily convertible to use cartridge ammo. Your TC Hawken 50 cal muzzle loader is an antique, even if made last year.

Trust me on this one- I have held a C&R FFL since 1976.

A Marlin 39A that is 50 years old- Curio & Relic firearm. Same rifle, 49 years old- firearm. But next year it will be 50, and becomes C&R. It is not the year the model was made, but the year THAT gun was made.

Serial numbers were not required on rifles and shotguns until 1968. In some cases, the year of production can be shown (Remington used a barrel code) In some cases, we can show that that MODEL was only made 1950-52. If you cannot show that the gun in question is 50 years old, and it ain't on the list by name, it is not C&R.

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