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Old 12-06-2013, 05:08 PM   #21
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I have followed Mandela and admired him for many years. I believe he is an honorable and good man. He had more courage than many. I will miss him. I never thought he'd live this long but I'm glad he did. May I be as firm in my beliefs as he has been in his. God keep his soul.
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Wasn't he a Communist ? Didn't his terror organization kill many innocent people? Necklacing? Im no fan.
Why yes, he was. Yes, they did. Neither am I.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If one thinks Castro (or those like him) is not a nice man, then Mandela may require a second look, without the lens of decades of left wing media spin.


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I never understood why my biological brother can't stop bashing on my adopted brother, 3 years after his death. I guess some just can't let others rest in peace..

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Why yes, he was. Yes, they did. Neither am I.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If one thinks Castro (or those like him) is not a nice man, then Mandela may require a second look, without the lens of decades of left wing media spin.
Opinions are in good supply, but informed opinions are rare. I am not informed enough to stamp a verdict. It appears he was a born politician, head and shoulders above his own ilk. He worked toward a peaceful resolution, and would do anything to advance his goal. Not the worst one, compared to the neighboring regimes in Angola, Zimbabwe, and Mosambique. It is possible that kissing Arafat and Kaddafi was the means, not the ends. It is also possible that if not for him, Zudafrika would have gone to a tribal or marxist hell in a hand basket.
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Some quotes attributed to mandela that you likely won't see in his adoring media.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/7-nelson-mandela-quotes-you-probably-wont-see-in-the-us-medi

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Opinions are in good supply, but informed opinions are rare. I am not informed enough to stamp a verdict. It appears he was a born politician, head and shoulders above his own ilk. He worked toward a peaceful resolution, and would do anything to advance his goal. Not the worst one, compared to the neighboring regimes in Angola, Zimbabwe, and Mosambique. It is possible that kissing Arafat and Kaddafi was the means, not the ends. It is also possible that if not for him, Zudafrika would have gone to a tribal or marxist hell in a hand basket.
He was a Communist, that's been proven, thus that "Marxist Hell in a handbasket" you speak of would have been fine w/ Mr. Mandela. The ANC has a terrorist history. I didn't wish to start bad mouthing him, but crap, all this lovey dovey crap is pissing me off. The US Govt is lowering the flags to half staff for him, for crying out loud. We got the call in my office yesterday.
http://www.penbaypilot.com/article/flags-ordered-half-staff-honor-nelson-mandela/25147

Again...If you think Fidel Castro isn't a nice person because of his history, then you might wish to take a second look at Mandela outside of the Kissy face media reports flying around.
So, if I'm even remotely correct and Mr. Mandela wasn't a combination of Santa Clause, Mr. Rogers and and the tooth fairy all rolled into a package that looks a lot like that other popular leftist, Morgan Freeman, perhaps we can all put down the rose colored glasses and stop lionizing this guy?

Maybe me being from the generation where communism was considered negative colors my thinking, but I won't be weeping when Castro makes his trip to the big gulag in the sky either.

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Good glad he is gone. Not a fan at all. Nothing to admire at all in my opinion. Just another commie, and I hate communists.

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I never understood why my biological brother can't stop bashing on my adopted brother, 3 years after his death. I guess some just can't let others rest in peace..
I don't think anybody is "bashing" anybody. Surely, there's a wee bit of room for the truth on this altar?

FWIW, I don't think he compares to the likes of Pope John Paul II or Rev. Martin Luther King. Not in terms of vision or insight or learning or eloquence or courage. And yes, that is my honest (informed) opinion.

He was indeed a remarkable person but he was just not all of what our MSM claims he was. That's not tearing anybody down; that's just refusing to swallow the progressive spin. I guess that might appear unfashionable or impolite to say so quickly after his death at the ripe old age of 95, but my observation has been that Progressives begin re-writing history immediately and I'd just as soon we made some room for truth.

Was he a man of great accomplishment? Yes, I believe so. Was he also responsible for atrocities and for propping up the socialist, racist tyrant Mugabe? Yes, again. There is much that remains to be written about this generational man.

I think he probably became a "statesman". I also think that F.W de Klerk was equally the statesman but you will hear nothing about de Klerk. Did they fashion something good? The jury's still out on that one. I believe there were other solutions to getting rid of apartheid. Regardless......

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I don't think anybody is "bashing" anybody. Surely, there's a wee bit of room for the truth on this altar? FWIW, I don't think he compares to the likes of Pope John Paul II or Rev. Martin Luther King. Not in terms of vision or insight or learning or eloquence or courage. And yes, that is my honest (informed) opinion. He was indeed a remarkable person but he was just not all of what our MSM claims he was. That's not tearing anybody down; that's just refusing to swallow the progressive spin. I guess that might appear unfashionable or impolite to say so quickly after his death at the ripe old age of 95, but my observation has been that Progressives begin re-writing history immediately and I'd just as soon we made some room for truth. Was he a man of great accomplishment? Yes, I believe so. Was he also responsible for atrocities and for propping up the socialist, racist tyrant Mugabe? Yes, again. There is much that remains to be written about this generational man. I think he probably became a "statesman". I also think that F.W de Klerk was equally the statesman but you will hear nothing about de Klerk. Did they fashion something good? The jury's still out on that one. I believe there were other solutions to getting rid of apartheid. Regardless...... RIP.
Once ppl pass away their judgment belongs to someone else IMO. Once ppl pass away I choose to focus on the good if there is any. If that's wrong then so be it. That's really all I was getting at.. I hope we all can rest in peace that way.
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Help grandma across the street, and then steal her purse.

But look at the good that was done.

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