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Old 03-14-2013, 10:57 PM   #231
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Had a 351 Windsor stroked to 408. Hellish torque. 4:56 gears front and rear, pull anything. Bad thing was when revved to high, it liked to blow the rear main seal out. PITA. Ended up burning two valves and killing one cylinder. Traded for my Toyota. 5mpg.....

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one of my favorite Chevrolet engines of all time. the 409. with the introduction of the W series engine, beginning with the 348, the big blocks had arrived. big engines in big cars. then the factory started taking big cars, lightening them and hopping up the engines and the HP wars were on. then they took these big engines and started dropping them into lighter and smaller cars. what fun it must have been to be around in the 60's!

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one of my favorite Chevrolet engines of all time. the 409. with the introduction of the W series engine, beginning with the 348, the big blocks had arrived. big engines in big cars. then the factory started taking big cars, lightening them and hopping up the engines and the HP wars were on. then they took these big engines and started dropping them into lighter and smaller cars. what fun it must have been to be around in the 60's!
They are still doing it. I mentioned several pages ago about the v8 focus. It still can't beat the 60's cool factor, the playing of ideas. Most ideas already happened, finding an original idea in the automotive world is becoming rare.
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I have a LS7 in my 08-06 vette. With a 2nd build in progress.

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what is your favorite retro car?

1) Dodge Challenger........

2) Ford Mustang............

3) Chevrolet Camaro......

also add any others you can think of as well.

my choice would be the Dodge Challenger, because it looks so much more like one of the older ones that the Mustang or the Camaro.

another question. what older car would you like to see done in a newer retro version?

i would like to see a retro version of the 1970-72 Monte Carlo and it would be RWD. same basic body style as the original with updated trim, suspension and drivetrain. maybe one of the Corvette or new Camaro engines and 6 spd. manual transmissions. 17" or 18" rims amd wide tires.

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Don't mean to undermine the poster's feelings about his car and engine, but the 351 4-barrel Windsor (69) was common - not rare - or a race version. I own one.

1969 was the first year for the 351. It was a longer stroke version of the 289 and 302. It was produced in Windsor Canada - which is where the name came from. But the other small blocks (289, 302) were built there, too.
Then came the Cleveland 351 - phasing in in 1970. Built in Cleveland. So the name.
The Cleveland 351 had larger intake valves - making it breathe better at high RPM's than the Windsor. But the Windsor's smaller valves (they were still larger than a 302 valves) made it a much better street engine. It was more responsive. The smaller valves created higher air flow (when compared to the Cleveland) - which mixed the fuel better - at lower speeds. The Cleveland - with it's larger valves - had poorer flow and mixing - at lower (common street RPM's).

Gets to be involved... but the Windsor was a good engine. They are both long stroke engines (same basic block architecture - mostly head differences) - which are traditionally and functionally high torque at lower speed engines. And not so good at high RPM's. So the Cleveland's bigger valves kind of defeated what the 351 block architecture was good at - and tried to give better performance at high rpm's - which long stroke engines (which the Cleveland is) are not so good at. So --- it was kind of a bunch of give and take - trial and error...

All this was usually viewed in terms of Chevy's small blocks - the 265, 283, 327, 202, 350 family. They were short stroke engines (larger pistons). That type engine is not a high torque at lower speed engine. They do well winding out to high RPM's. Kind of the opposite of the Ford small blocks.

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The 69 351 2-barrel produced 250 horsepower.
The 69 351 4- barrel produced 290 horsepower.
I knew it wasn't a race engine, as to the rarity I was told that by a guy I worked with that had allegedly been a ford mechanic and had no reason to lie, he wasn't trying to buy it or sell it. It is the only windsor of that vintsge that I have seen with a factory 4 barrel, but that also doesn't mean there aren't a million of them.

Best part is they made a version of that engine from '69 to about '95 or '96 so there are a lot of parts around.

If I remember right my Motors repair manual list 10 horsepower difference between the windsor and the cleveland.
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I knew it wasn't a race engine, as to the rarity I was told that by a guy I worked with that had allegedly been a ford mechanic and had no reason to lie, he wasn't trying to buy it or sell it. It is the only windsor of that vintsge that I have seen with a factory 4 barrel, but that also doesn't mean there aren't a million of them.

Best part is they made a version of that engine from '69 to about '95 or '96 so there are a lot of parts around.

If I remember right my Motors repair manual list 10 horsepower difference between the windsor and the cleveland.
my brother bought a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 many years ago that had a 351 Windsor with a 4 barrel and a factory 4 speed manual in it. his was the Candy Apple red with the gold stripes and blacked out hood. pretty close to this one. but had the rims like the green one shown.
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Retro? How about the two seater Thunderbird, fiberglass body, and the same engine options as the mustang.

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my brother bought a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 many years ago that had a 351 Windsor with a 4 barrel and a factory 4 speed manual in it. his was the Candy Apple red with the gold stripes and blacked out hood. pretty close to this one. but had the rims like the green one shown.
The rims on my Torino are like the second picture except that they are painted black with the same hub cap with a GT in the center of the hubcap.
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Retro? How about the two seater Thunderbird, fiberglass body, and the same engine options as the mustang.
I agree. I'm a mopar guy, but the Ford T-bird that came out before any of the retro pony cars was more retro than any of the other 3.

the challenger LOOKS close, but to me, It looks like the high school cheerleader at the 25th high school reunion. you know that she used to be hot, and at one time you really wanted her, but now, while she still looks alright, she's fat and gained a lot of weight. you find yourself remembering what she once was, instead of what she is now.
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