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Old 03-11-2013, 08:41 PM   #211
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Again ,70cuda383 , "WHO ARE YOU"..? ^

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Old 03-11-2013, 09:04 PM   #212
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Again ,70cuda383 , "WHO ARE YOU"..? ^
again, just some 30 year old kid...who understands TORQUE is what moves you. Hp is just for bragging rights and bench racing.

I'll take an engine that makes 400 ft lbs of torque from 2500 RPM through 5,000 RPM instead of one that makes 500 ft lbs of torque, but needs to spin 5500 RPM to reach peak torque.

the one that makes more torque, and at a higher RPM will make more Hp, which is cool for bragging, but think about a street brawler, how often are you tooling around on the streets at 5,000 RPM? how much time do you spend at say, 2500 rpm on the streets?

you could build a 10,000 RPM motor that makes 900 hp (think Nascar), but a motor like that is not going to have any low end torque to get you off the line, and will lose your ass if going against a car that only had 500 hp but makes that 500 hp at 4500 rpm...but then again, Nascar is not about getting off the line, it's about getting as much top end speed that you can get. (with the exception of the 2 or 3 road courses they run a year) when it comes to drag racing, or playing on the street, you need to get off the line, and that means you need torque.
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the "simple" equation for Hp when it comes to engines, is Torque x RPM / 5250

so, 500 ft lbs of torque, at 5000 RPM

500 x 5000 = 2,500,000

2,500,000 / 5250 = 476 Hp.


now, lets crank up the RPM (and other supporting engine work, like heads that can flow a LOT more CFM to support higher RPM)

500 ft lbs at 7,000 RPM...

500x7000/5250 = 666 hp.


You'll notice that every dyno graph, the Hp and torque lines cross each other at 5250.

500 ft lbs x 5250 RPM / 5250 = 500hp

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See, now I thought the 429 was the "Cammer" motor...basically an overhead cam design of the mopar Hemi engine. OHC motors are known to be able to turn much higher RPM than conventional cam in block, pushrod motors, due to the lighter valve train...it remained stable at higher RPM due to having less mass/intertia. and that's why Dodge pushed to have them banned...more RPM means more Hp*

you can also tell it's a "copy" of the mopar hemi, by the spark plug wires going through the valve covers.









* HP is a function of force over time. any motor will make 1,000 Hp, if you give it enough RPM. torque is the measure of power the motor makes "once" and HP is the measure of how many times it makes that power per unit of time, so the more RPM you can turn, the more frequently you're making that torque in the same unit of time, the more Hp you are making.

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Engine A makes 500 ft lbs of torque.
Engine B makes 500 ft lbs of torque.

Engine A makes that 500 ft lbs of torque at 5,000 RPM, so Engine A makes 476 hp.
Engine B makes 500 ft lbs of torque at 7500 rpm, so Engine B makes 714 Hp.
the Boss 429 and the 427 SOHC engines used a hemisperical type head, just like the Mopar Hemi's. but the Mopar company had and still does as far as i know have the trademark rights to the name Hemi. so even though they were hemi type engines, they couldn't use the name.

the differences between the Boss 429 and the 427 SOHC engine are that the SOHC engine uses overhead cams and has an idler where the camshft would reside. there was an additional sprocket on the idler shaft that also drove a chain that drove the camshfts. the SOHC engine was based off the 427 FE engine. the Boss 429 engine was based off the 385 series engine which was the 429 and the 460.
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Torino..? Sleeper..? I had a GT that would not awaken..! Eeeck..!

All noise , but NO GO..! ..?
Ford..... A few friggin ran good but most were kinda dogy
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OK , I'll give a little "Hint" to save time and talk fun stuff , (HORSE-POWER).!
A-A M C.
1-Javelin
2-Rebel Machine

B-Buick
3-Gran-Sport

C-Chevy
4-Camaro
5-Chevelle
6-Corvette

D-Dodge
7-Challenger
8-Charger RT

E-Ford
9-Mustang
10-Torino GT

F-Mercury
11-Cougar
12-Cyclone CJ

G-Plymouth
13-Barracuda
14-Road Runner

H-Oldsmobile
15-442

I-Pontiac
16-Fire Bird
17-G T O

Now you have the most of them , but I'm leaving two out..!
One made by Ford and one by Chevy , what are they....?
You missed the Chevy SS Nova and American Motors AMX. In my opinion the SS Impala of the mid 60's should also qualify, as should the Duster/Dart platform with the 340 engine. Of course one of my all time favorites was the Ford Thunderbolt.
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Ford..... A few friggin ran good but most were kinda dogy
Ford had a lot of high performance engines over the years. starting with their flathead V-8 in the 30's, and their Y-block series with the E series 312 Thunderbird engine that came out with 2-four barrel carbs.

how about the Hi-Po 289's in the early Mustangs? how about the 406, 410 and the 390? how about the Boss 302 or the 429 CJ and the 429 SCJ or the 428 CJ and the 428 SCJ?

Ford had involvement in many types of racing, NASCAR, Formula 1, drag racing, road racing and even off-road racing. yeah, Ford was called First On Race Day for a reason!
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yeah, Ford was called First On Race Day for a reason!

I thought it was Found On Road Dead?


Of course, Mopar means "Mostly Old Parts And Rust" and trust me, with the cost of anything Mopar...this is a true statement! new parts and rust repair on these old pigs is NOT cheap! haha
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I thought it was Found On Road Dead?


Of course, Mopar means "Mostly Old Parts And Rust" and trust me, with the cost of anything Mopar...this is a true statement! new parts and rust repair on these old pigs is NOT cheap! haha
hahaha!!!! i have heard both over the years!

lots of people that fool around with Fords and Chevrolets are involved, Mopar guys are committed!

my brother and i are semi restoring his 1967 Dodge Charger an we have been working on it off and on for over 12 years now. we are getting much closer to making a running car, but even then it will be far from finished.
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Ford had a lot of high performance engines over the years. starting with their flathead V-8 in the 30's, and their Y-block series with the E series 312 Thunderbird engine that came out with 2-four barrel carbs.

how about the Hi-Po 289's in the early Mustangs? how about the 406, 410 and the 390? how about the Boss 302 or the 429 CJ and the 429 SCJ or the 428 CJ and the 428 SCJ?

Ford had involvement in many types of racing, NASCAR, Formula 1, drag racing, road racing and even off-road racing. yeah, Ford was called First On Race Day for a reason!
Just saying I've seen r code mach 1 mustangs with 428 cobra jet mustangs run 16 sec quarter mile runs at the track..... I had a 93 cobra fox body that friggen hauled ass though. Just depends.
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