[dango]

Originally Posted by readygirl

Not sure what this is, just found it cruizing musclecar pics on the net. But i know its a MOPAR. My sisters boyfriend is a big Mopar nut, starting to rub off on me. I cant imagine any hotrod being much cooler than this one...

Love-----(SIGH).....! Nice car to..!

[axxe55]

here are thre Ford high performance engines. see if anyone can guess at what they are!

[dango]

302 boss

427-450 hp

427-Cobra-500 hp..?

[axxe55]

picture 1: Boss 429 engine. used in the Boss 429 Mustangs. 859 made in 1969 and 499 made in 1970. Ford used them in the Mustang so they could use them as a legal NASCAR engine. in NASCAR the engine was installed into a Torino body. they were conservatively rated at 375 hp, but actual hp rating was well over 500 and some believe to have been closer to 600 hp.

picture 2: 427 SOHC "Cammer" engine. was originally designed for NASCAR in the early 60's, but Dodge through a bit fit over it and got it banned fron NASCAR racing. many used them afterwards as some of the early FC and Top Fuel racing engines. from Ford they were rated at 616 hp with a single 4 bareel and 657 hp with dual 4 barrels.

picture 3: Cobra 427 Side Oiler engine. used in the Shelby AC Cobra. two versions of the 427 were made, a top oiler with oiling that went to the heads and cam first, then the crank and rods, a side oiler with oil going to the crank and rods first and then the heads and cam. rated at 425 hp, with many thinking that they were well over 550 hp.

[Swervin]

Originally Posted by Colby

Dango, my friend! Your confused! Not accustomed to seeing you confused!

The 64 Tempest was the midsize body that the first GTO was built on. A 64 Tempest and a 64 GTO (the first GTO) were the same car - but with engine difference and trim differences. The engine, of course, in the GTO was the 389.

You're thinking about the earlier series of Tempests. The Pontiac Tempest began with the 61, as Pontiac's answer to the sudden "compact car" push - competing with Ford's Falcon and Chevy's Corvair. All brought on by the onslought from Europe - the VW Beetle mostly - but Renault Dauphine and the Saab, etc.

The Tempest was a 4 cylinder (half of a 389 @194 1/2, really - slanted, even - from cutting the V8 block). The transmission was in the rear - called a "transaxle" because it had the rear axle gears in the case, too - and it had a "flexible drive" from the clutch back... It was considered a remarkable feat of engineering in it's day. That engine and body continued in 1962.

In 63, they grew the body somewhat (it looked nicer, more modern) and kept the four cylinder but gave you an option of a 326 V8 in a normal front transmission and rear end configuration. This was a nice engine package in that light car.

Then they grew the body even farther for the 64 Tempest and gave you the choice of the typical family style or the new AMAZING GTO version! Which of course, was the start of the muscle car thing.

I owned one of the early four cylinder transaxle Tempests. It went through a lot of throw-out bearings...(manual- it was)

And now you know way more than you ever wanted to know about the beginnings of the Pontiac Tempest.
They kept growing them unfortunately - and they got kind of huge (and heavy) - lost the real GTO performance thing they originally had going.

Somebody that knows something on here.... Cool!

[ohiomike]

Originally Posted by Swervin

The GTO moniker was an option on the tempest platform when first introduced. What year was the GTO released as it's own model

1966, a John DeLorean creation. It is considered by most to be the first of the 'musclecars'.

My bud had a 68 Torino with a 428 CJ in it and if he could ever have gotten any traction that car would have screamed. He also had a Hi Po 66 Mustang that ran good too. With my old 68 Camaro I ran 426 Hemi's, big block chevys of all sorts, and anything anyone would bring to the line to run, but the one car that gave me the closest races were ones powered by those 351 Clevelands. Ford had a better idea with that powerplant.

[dango]

Originally Posted by ohiomike

1966, a John DeLorean creation. It is considered by most to be the first of the 'musclecars'.

My bud had a 68 Torino with a 428 CJ in it and if he could ever have gotten any traction that car would have screamed. He also had a Hi Po 66 Mustang that ran good too. With my old 68 Camaro I ran 426 Hemi's, big block chevys of all sorts, and anything anyone would bring to the line to run, but the one car that gave me the closest races were ones powered by those 351 Clevelands. Ford had a better idea with that powerplant.

Agreed! That top-end package , (heads , valves , carb , etc). of the 351,s was designed to breath.

[Colby]

Originally Posted by readygirl

Not sure what this is, just found it cruizing musclecar pics on the net. But i know its a MOPAR. My sisters boyfriend is a big Mopar nut, starting to rub off on me. I cant imagine any hotrod being much cooler than this one...

Yup.. Super bee. It was basically a Dodge Coronett - Of course with a big motor and trim. Good looking car. And it was pretty light.
The Dodges and the Plymouths - they were the same basic. Kinda hard to tell one from the other - except for trim.

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And those Ford motor photos!

That Boss 429 was a rare beast!
Well, heck. All three were.

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The Torinos .. they were sleepers. Friend had one with a 428 - auto. That car would lay rubber with every shift!
But no one really paid much attention to them.

It was heavier than my Mustang - but I was still afraid to run one off with him.

[dango]

Torino..? Sleeper..? I had a GT that would not awaken..! Eeeck..!

All noise , but NO GO..! ..?

[70cuda383]

Originally Posted by axxe55

picture 1: Boss 429 engine. used in the Boss 429 Mustangs. 859 made in 1969 and 499 made in 1970. Ford used them in the Mustang so they could use them as a legal NASCAR engine. in NASCAR the engine was installed into a Torino body. they were conservatively rated at 375 hp, but actual hp rating was well over 500 and some believe to have been closer to 600 hp.

picture 2: 427 SOHC "Cammer" engine. was originally designed for NASCAR in the early 60's, but Dodge through a bit fit over it and got it banned fron NASCAR racing. many used them afterwards as some of the early FC and Top Fuel racing engines. from Ford they were rated at 616 hp with a single 4 bareel and 657 hp with dual 4 barrels.

picture 3: Cobra 427 Side Oiler engine. used in the Shelby AC Cobra. two versions of the 427 were made, a top oiler with oiling that went to the heads and cam first, then the crank and rods, a side oiler with oil going to the crank and rods first and then the heads and cam. rated at 425 hp, with many thinking that they were well over 550 hp.

See, now I thought the 429 was the "Cammer" motor...basically an overhead cam design of the mopar Hemi engine. OHC motors are known to be able to turn much higher RPM than conventional cam in block, pushrod motors, due to the lighter valve train...it remained stable at higher RPM due to having less mass/intertia. and that's why Dodge pushed to have them banned...more RPM means more Hp*

you can also tell it's a "copy" of the mopar hemi, by the spark plug wires going through the valve covers.









* HP is a function of force over time. any motor will make 1,000 Hp, if you give it enough RPM. torque is the measure of power the motor makes "once" and HP is the measure of how many times it makes that power per unit of time, so the more RPM you can turn, the more frequently you're making that torque in the same unit of time, the more Hp you are making.

Example:

Engine A makes 500 ft lbs of torque.
Engine B makes 500 ft lbs of torque.

Engine A makes that 500 ft lbs of torque at 5,000 RPM, so Engine A makes 476 hp.
Engine B makes 500 ft lbs of torque at 7500 rpm, so Engine B makes 714 Hp.