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Old 03-16-2010, 06:11 PM   #21
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In addition to the physical characteristics (max PT Test scores, high rifle marksmanship scores) the Scout/Sniper is much more than a triggerman. He must have a level of intelligence above the average service member, be utterly reliable and trustworthy.

They are the commander's eyes and ears. They must pass the scrutiny of a background check for a security clearance. They will work under minimal supervision in the field, and must be masters at navigation, camoflague, communications, gathering intelligence, as well as being superb marksmen. Strong math skills are definitely needed- you are taking a shot at 723 meters. Target is downhill from you by 26 feet. There is a 5 knot wind blowing from your 10 o'clock. Target is walking, quartering to the 2 o'clock. Assuming a 400 meter zero- What is your holdover and how much do you lead? 5 second time limit, please.

For all of these reasons, Scout/Sniper school, much like Ranger School, or Special Forces school is open to those that have served for a while, and demonstrated their ability to soldier. Are there people that find that are not mentally suited for hunting other men? Yes- fewer than you might think, but yes. While a bomber pilot or an artilleryman delivers death- that is wholesale. The average Infantryman, retail. Scout/Sniper- personalized.

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Well Saviorslegacy, I respect your uncle and his bravery and his service. Sometimes what one does in the military does indeed follow you home. Many of us who have been there, have shared the same experiences, learn to cope with it the best we can, and soldier on.

Everything C3 said above is spot on, but let me make one important point here. Whether you are a sniper, Ranger, SOF, infantry soldier, Marine, or just support personal, every soldier is issued a weapon, trained to use it and defend himself and take out the enemy. It does not matter if your target is 1000 yards or 25 feet from you, when you have to shoot someone, it is all the same.

In war or in a civilian SD situation, your mission is to survive and live another day, so in essence, that would make anyone who carries a weapon and uses it to take a life, have one of two choices of being....a cold hearted bastard or a dead, cold hearted bastard.

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Yeah I understand what you guys are saying. An infantryman would see more wounded friends though. Either way it would be tough.
I still have a lot to learn.

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I would disagree with being heartless and cold blooded to be a sniper. A job is a job and killing someone with a single placed bullet is no different than killing someone any other way. In fact, I highly doubt you'd be considered if the perception of your command was that you were heartless and cold blooded. Crap like that indicates personality issues. I am an infantry scout (Army) and the guys in the sniper section are neither heartless or cold blooded. Some of them are the biggest hacks around until they get behind a trigger, then they are professionals.

And snipers don't shoot to wound in order to draw others in to kill them. It's not some dude hiding out in the pucker brush taking out everyone and anyone who ventures into range. The glamorization and embelishment that particular job has received via Hollywood is bull****.

I have sat in on some of my units training and the best advice I have to offer is KNOW YOUR MATH!
I was kind of joking with those first few things I said. I think I meant cold natured, because of the long hours of wait and weather conditions.
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Try and back peddle less Nympho.

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That would work if I were going up stream.
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I didn't say that stuff because of a video game, I said it because my uncle was a sniper in Vietnam. I really don't like video games because I think it is a money making scheme, one that disregards human life and teaches inaccurate warfare, or at least warfare in my dads opinion. Then you have a lot of gun know-it-alls. It annoys me every time people talk about Call of Duty because they talk about their best kill or about their favorite weapon and how it should be used and **** like that.
I said that you need to be heartless, because according to my uncle, you need to be. He had to shoot children. He had to do things that now gives him nightmares. He cant even talk about it anymore. His wife is the one who tells us stuff. Well, he used to be able to talk about it so grandma and mom know stuff too. Like climbing up palm trees only to be spotted and dropping 10'. Eating bugs and nasty bread. Hiding in swamps while vietkong were so close that they almost stepped on him. He is really messed up in the head now. He has only told me one thing about being a sniper, and he said that you have to be a cold hearted bastard.

In case someone asks his last name is Varwig. IDK what the correct German spelling is.
Savior, (And my apologies to anyone who doesn't like seeing this stuff discussed) have seen what the kind of thing you describe can do to a person, and it started with WW1 in my case, and ran to the 70's. Ain't going to define any of it, but just know that what you wrote isn't lost on me. I'm done with this thread.
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