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Old 12-04-2012, 07:50 PM   #101
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it will be in danish (it's a requirement sorry), so im not sure you'll get a lot of use out of it. i would be happy to provide any information i find though, it would be very informative to have your guys perspective on it
My uncle is Danish. I just got off the phone with him, and he said he'll be happy to save you the trouble of translating it for us.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:51 PM   #102
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For me, it is a mindset such as yours that I fear. One so willing to give up his rights and my rights would be so willing to give up other rights.

It is the man that would control his neighbor that is to be feared. for he and those in power seek to control the freedoms of others.

My freedoms may not be of value to you, but then again, your interests and values might seem worthless to me. Should I at any time direct your life as I see fit?

My life has been protected twice against assault. Miscreants with the upper hand, yet with no gun, were thwarted by a firearm on the side of good. I held that gun in one instance. My fellow worker held that gun in the other.

I use the modern sporting rifle to protect my livestock, my family and perhaps our freedoms. I carry a 1911 daily, at home, on the property and during trips to town. I love my freedoms, I love my country. You may be missing out on the most fullfilling life one could have. One where we are free to defend ourselves and our freedoms.

I dread that we become a continent of sheep, led into socialism by such mindsets that the most important aspects of ones life have been stripped from him and relegated to others. I will defend my life, my family, my property and my constitution.

I have visited Europe (Spain, France, Italy) and feel bad for those who walk the urban areas, looking down and avoiding their neighbor. I asked why this was, and the answer given me " The only ones that look you in they eye are the Police and the Criminal" Here, In my rural town, I know that most are armed, I have no fear. Most crime happens in the Gun-Free areas, or cities where Firearm ownership is infringed.

Come to the U.S and visit me. I have 20 acres of land, a home gun range for large center file rifles and pistols. I can have you meet the best people in the world right here in my neighborhood. And YES... they may be armed.

well, the way i see it, i have never had that right, so i'm not giving anything up. it would be a weird move for our government to suddenly allow people to carry guns, and it would be very difficult for your government to ban them. afterall, history and culture is hard to change.

about visiting you, i might just hold you up on that. if i show up on your territory in a few years, please don't shoot me, i've always wanted to visit America
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Emil,

Mosin and others here have given you extremely good answers. Mine is simple. Shooting for food, fun and sport has been an American tradition since the days of the frontier. Fathers taught sons gun safety and shooting. It's been handed down from generation to generation. My father taught me to shoot when I was 8. I taught my sons to shoot when they were around the same age. It's a very uniquely American thing.

Americans like shooting. It's fun. We live in a country that has lots of land where people can shoot. We've always been able to own guns. And we like them and we want to be able to keep owning them. We don't want that right taken from us because it is a fundamental American right.

My point is, guns, gun ownership and shooting are a distinct part of our culture.

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Emil,

Mosin and others here have given you extremely good answers. Mine is simple. Shooting for food, fun and sport has been an American tradition since the days of the frontier. Fathers taught sons gun safety and shooting. It's been handed down from generation to generation. My father taught me to shoot when I was 8. I taught my sons to shoot when they were around the same age. It's a very uniquely American thing.

Americans like shooting. It's fun. We live in a country that has lots of land where people can shoot. We've always been able to own guns. And we like them and we want to be able to keep owning them. We don't want that right taken from us because it is a fundamental American right.

My point is, guns, gun ownership and shooting are a distinct part of our culture.
Nice to leave him with your positive note. Most of us enjoy guns as a hobby. They are enjoyable, not too many items are crafted anymore with the quality a firearm has.

So...the bullets aren't just flying over here...and it's not a war zone. Besides, if you do visit our 3,794,083 square miles...take comfort that we have plenty of trees to hide behind.
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true, true. i hate surveillance as much as anyone, security cameras does not make me feel safe, and the government (or google) having the possibility to acces my computer at any time, creeps me out. but my initial question was about weapons, and how they would help fight a tyrannic government. it's newer times, and a gun isn't necessarily your best tool against the big powers. a single hacker can do more to a government, than a bunch of armed people, fighting in the name of freedom.
How? A dead enemy is better than one trying to see why his computer crashed.
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Emil,

Mosin and others here have given you extremely good answers. Mine is simple. Shooting for food, fun and sport has been an American tradition since the days of the frontier. Fathers taught sons gun safety and shooting. It's been handed down from generation to generation. My father taught me to shoot when I was 8. I taught my sons to shoot when they were around the same age. It's a very uniquely American thing.

Americans like shooting. It's fun. We live in a country that has lots of land where people can shoot. We've always been able to own guns. And we like them and we want to be able to keep owning them. We don't want that right taken from us because it is a fundamental American right.

My point is, guns, gun ownership and shooting are a distinct part of our culture.
thats a good point, i'll be sure to include it in my report.
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My uncle is Danish. I just got off the phone with him, and he said he'll be happy to save you the trouble of translating it for us.
are you serious, or are you joking? i will be like 15 pages. of course i will take all the help i can get, and i would, like i said, love to have your guys opinion on the different subjects
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but i must ask, do you really think the second amendment still has it's place in modern politics? i mean, what are the chances of a tyrannical government taking over America today? you certainly don't need to fear the brits, that's for sure.
surely, the second amendment has served it purposes, but don't you think that there is a higher chance of hurting a loved one, than a criminal?

The chance of the Government becoming tyranical is an ever present threat, and not one that will ever go away. If you look at our rights over the last century, you will see that they have slowly been eroded. The erosion has increased over the last few decades.
As for guns being in politics, I believe they absolutely should not be involved in politics. The US Constitutions says that the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. Any law regarding gun control in an infringement on that right. This is why that right should not be involved in politics, because politics will only infringe upon that god given right.
As for a gun hurting a loved one, ask around this forum and see how important safety is. If you do anything unsafe, you will be corrected here, and get at least a moderate butt chewing. There is a set of gun safety rules we all abide by. These rules will prevent accidents, or trageties from happening.
Here's another thing you should look at. If the criminal has a gun, and you dont, what will you do? Most likely exactly what he wants you to. If he want's to kill you, he will. Ih we wants to let you live, but rape your wife, and kill your children, he will.


and our european mindset is based upon a trust towards the government, which i guess is the main difference between Americans and Europeans (maybe not south-europe). We believe, that if we are being robbed, the police will come, if our house is burning, a fireman will be there to put out the fire, and we believe, that if we are bleeding out, we will soon be brought to the hospital.

We don't trust the Government, because they have given us no reason to trust them. The US Government has betrayed our trust numerous times throughout our history. They continue to do things that is in their best interest, and not the peoples all the time.
For the most part, we trust the police to do whats right, but they don't/can't always protect us. If someone is in your house, chasing you with a knife, the police will come, but it will take them at least a few minutes to get there. By that time, you could be dead, the the criminal could be long gone.
The US Supreme Court has also ruled that the police are NOT obligated to protect individuals, only society as a whole. Of course, most will do whats right and help everyone they can, but there is still that possibility they won't.
As for the firemen, that is kind of irrelevent for this topic. Guns won't put out a fire, and there is not much you can do to put one out without the fire department.


i think this is why we don't really believe in guns, as most of us believe that it is a weapon, meant for killing. I think i would probably be scared, knowing that everyone on my block slept with a loaded gun under their pillow. but of course, i don't see the whole picture before i actually go to america.

Actually, you'd be much safer if everyone on you block did have a gun. Criminals avoid people who can defend themselves. They want an easy steal/kill. There is a city here in the US (Kennesaw Georgia) that has a law requireing that each household have atleast one firearm in it, and that city has on of the lowest crimerates in the US. Chicago, New York City, Washington D.C., and Las Angelas on the other hand has some of the absolute strictest gun laws in the US, and they also have the highest crime rates.
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Can i ask you guys another question? where do you draw your personal line? what should one be allowed to own? a handgun? An UZI? Weapon grade plutonium?
We can own a handgun, and we can own a UZI (in most of the US), and we should be able to. I personally own an AR-15, which is the semi auto version of the M16/M4 that the military uses. We NEED to be able to own guns like that because it severly discourages the Government from becomeing completely tyranical. It also discourages foreign threats. During WWII, the Japanese did not invade becuase they feared the citizens more than they did the militry. They said that to invade the US would be foolish, because there is a gun behind every blade of grass (not the exact quote, but ectremely close to being exact). After WWII, some citizens had to use their right to bare arms to overthrough a corrumpt, and tyrannical local government. I don't believe anyone was killed, and the citizens were allowed to cast their votes. That was know as the Battle of Athens Tennessee.
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why do you believe that giving up your gun, is giving up your freedom? To me, giving up your gun is a sign of trust in your fellow man.
Because it has been proven numerous times throughout history that if the right to bare arms is taken away, that the people have no rights. This happened in Russia, Germany, and Turkey just to name a few. Go back and look at Mosins post.
Also, in today's world, trusting your fellow man can end badly for you. Corruption, and backstabing have become the norm. 50 years ago, you could sleep without locking your doors, and never have to worry about something happening. Today, it's pretty much mandatory that you keep your doors locked at all times.
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but my initial question was about weapons, and how they would help fight a tyrannic government. it's newer times, and a gun isn't necessarily your best tool against the big powers. a single hacker can do more to a government, than a bunch of armed people, fighting in the name of freedom.
A hacker can't take power away from an tyrannical government, and give it to the people. An armed population can.
Please read the blue writhing. ^

There are 52-80 million gun owners in America. Together, we could make up the largest military in the history of the world. Our Government fears that, because they know what will happen to them if they become tyrannical. Our foreign enemies fear that, because they know they could not defeat a standing power that large. This is what our founding fathers wanted for this nation, and that is what happened.
We may have to fight a few wars, but America always will be a and of freedom because of our right to bear arms.
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Please read the blue writhing. ^

There are 52-80 million gun owners in America. Together, we could make up the largest military in the history of the world. Our Government fears that, because they know what will happen to them if they become tyrannical. Our foreign enemies fear that, because they know they could not defeat a standing power that large. This is what our founding fathers wanted for this nation, and that is what happened.
We may have to fight a few wars, but America always will be a and of freedom because of our right to bear arms.
i'm very sorry, but i'll have to answer tomorrow, it's night over here, and im not sure i can come up with the best answer, gotta go to bed.
have a very nice day
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i'm very sorry, but i'll have to answer tomorrow, it's night over here, and im not sure i can come up with the best answer, gotta go to bed.
have a very nice day
That's fine. I'd much rather read a good, well though out answer, than a quickly thrown together one.
Have a nice night.
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